Whats the difference?

[BigPete]

I own a Jabiru J160c. :thumb_up:

 

Jabiru now list on their website a J160D. :confused:

 

So whats changed - does anyone know

 

regards

 

:big_grin::big_grin:

 

 

[sseeker]

J160D has a raised MTOW to 600kg, pretty sure.

 

 

[Vev]

Sseeker,

 

Interesting piece of info ... what makes you pretty sure?

 

Cheers

 

Jack

 

 

[slartibartfast]

Their website says MTOW is 540Kg for 160D and 160C.

 

It looks there like the D is factory built and C is the kit.

 

 

[sseeker]

Hi Slarti,

 

I read that the D was the 600kg MTOW modified one on their website somewhere. One thing I've learned with Jab is to never trust their publications Also the J160C & D are both factory built, the J160 is the kit plane.

 

 

[slartibartfast]

You can only go to 600kg if LSA.

 

This table is from another bit on the Jabiru website.

 

Factory Complete Aircraft Comparison

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UL-D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

J120

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

J160

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

J170

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

J230

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seats

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Registration

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RAA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RAA/VH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RAA/VH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RAA/VH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RAA/VH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Engine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2200cc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2200cc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2200cc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2200cc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3300cc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fuel in wings

 

 

 

 

 



(except J120 begind the seats)

 

 

 

 

 

 

70 ltrs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

65 ltrs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

135ltrs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

135ltrs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

135ltrs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MTOW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

450 kg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

500 kg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

540 kg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

600 kg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

600kg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The website appears to state in multiple places that only the 170 and 230 are LSA.

 

You're right about the info being inconsistent though.

 

Edit - that didn't cut and paste too well. Just read them in order.

 

 

[sseeker]

Yes slarti that's right, I've been speaking to someone over PM and they confirmed I'd accidentally read the J170 page instead of J160.

 

 

[Vev]

Ok ... So back to Big Pete question ... what's the difference?

 

Cheers

 

Jack

 

 

[Relfy]

Well it's obvious Pete...you need a J160D!!!!

 

 

[BigPete]

I have it from a very reliable source that the new J160D is the old J160C now built under the LSA rules. :ah_oh: This means that Jabiru can make modifications/improvements :thumb_up: with out the huge cost of re-certification under the "old" classification. :thumb_up:

 

I guess my J160C is now a collectors item.

 

Ebay, here I come........:big_grin::big_grin:

 

regards

 

:big_grin::big_grin:

 

 

[johnm]

differences

 

Also another fundamental difference is that d comes after c - alphabetically

 

 

[Ultralights]

when will they put the 6 cyl motor in the J170???

 

 

[winsor68]

I thought I saw something about it referring to the newer model motor in the latest aircraft?

 

 

[planedriver]

Hi Pete, The difference is thats one's in the primary catagory and the others in light sports.

 

Edge Aviation at West Sale now have two J160D's' son line.

 

Kind Regards

 

Planey

 

 

[Ross]

when will they put the 6 cyl motor in the J170???

I had a close look at a very nice J160 with 3300 ccs sitting up the front visiting Leeton's Brobenah airstrip last year at a fly in for a couple of days.

I have a number photos if you are interested but not under the bonnet.

 

Rod Stiff told me in a personal phone call a few years ago that the 2200 and 3300 motors share the same engine mount.

 

If I remember correctly what was said by the pilot owner builder, it required a bit of restraint on the amount of throttle used on takeoff otherwise it tended to be rather vertical!

 

Does it have standard J160 wings-I do not know. I would expect that it would have reduced fuel, luggage, passenger carrying capacity to be legal.

 

 

[BigPete]

G'day Ross - great to hear from you. How's the build going?

 

regards

 

 

[Guest basscheffers]

Don't trust the Jabiru website for any figures; it is so full of outdated or contradicting or missing numbers and simply wrong information, it's not funny.

 

 

[bushpilot]

Hi Slarti,I read that the D was the 600kg MTOW modified one on their website somewhere. One thing I've learned with Jab is to never trust their publications Also the J160C & D are both factory built, the J160 is the kit plane.

And consider this recent advice from RAAus:

 

"There are 3 different versions of the J170. The first two are:

 

An ultralight up to J170C but the later Cs were different. The early Cs and below had a MTOW of 544Kg. The late model Cs and the Ds were LSA so their MTOW is 600kg. Lastly there is an amateur kit version with a MTOW of 544Kg

 

So if the aircraft is a LSA (it has a Certificate of Airworthiness in LSA) the MTOW is 600kg. The rest are 455kg.

 

This also applies to the 160 and 120."

 

 

[LimaMike08]

What does this mean for a potential buyer?

Assuming all else is equal and I am only using it for personal use would a J160D be a better option to buy than a J160C?

[alf jessup]

when will they put the 6 cyl motor in the J170???

Ultralights,

 

I friend of mine out of LTV has a 19 rego'd 170 with a 6 in it, nice machine with plenty of grunt.

 

Alf

 

 

[Dieselten]

The J160C is certified in the Primary category, the J160D is LSA. Being primary category means the airworthiness has been certified by CASA, not the factory. So, if Jabiru went out of business and no other maker wanted to take on all the LSA Jabirus, the fleet of LSA Jabs would be grounded, but the primary category certified Jabs could keep flying.

 

This is part of the ticking time-bomb which is LSA. When there is no manufacturer to certify the airworthiness, the fleet is effectively out of the air leaving owners with the option of re-registering VH experimental or grounding the aircraft for good. Once you go VH Experimental, there's no going back, and the aircraft cannot be put on cross-hire.

 

LSA seemed like such a good idea at the time but wait until a few European manufacturers of LSA aircraft go under and see what happens to their fleets.

 

 

[Guest Error404]

I wouldn't lose sleep over it, if Jabiru closed up someone would take over the LsA responsibilities. The j160c model is under 95.55 cost something like a $1mil to certify but the d model self certified, itother only way to keep costs down for the small manufacturers these days.