andrew1975

Hi. Guys, I read the evaluation with interest as I own a 610 Brumby. I'd say your observation of how it handles is accurate. I took my wife flying in a tecnam a few times and she was bounced around a fair bit. In the Brumby she feels really safer and stable, guess that means she comes touring with me. Of course if you actually don't want your wife flying with you.... Best get a more unstable aircraft!

Just read the story of the guy who flew in the trees and was thinking of biggles. What does it mean to "pancake " a plane into a tree.???

Hi Steve, if I remember correctly when I looked inside yours, the radios were the same. I've had good results with mine, and am happy with them.

Hi Steve, your color scheme looked good, I'm putting the faster airspeed down to the red strip in the paint job, rather than the lycombing engine.....

Lots of politics talk for a flying site, well here is my 2 bobs worth... Local councils should stop selling our airstrips to real estate developers so that they can balance their budgets.... That's my political statement for the day!

Hope it all comes together, well done for getting yourself an aircraft, actually when you think that flight has really only been around for about 100 years, those of us that fly and own aircraft are very privalidged human beings....

Hi Steve, Glad to hear your getting it soon. I looking forward to a fly in it myself when your in Bendigo sometime. I wouldn't worry one bit if Brumby are flying it and showing a potential customer some circuits. If there is one thing those guys are very thorough on its putting a freshly built aircraft throu it's pacers and making it safe. To their credit they won't appoligise for any delay in this part of the build process. In the John Deere header factory in the US, once they build a new harvester, they take it to a concrete slab, run it for 30 minutes, then go around and pick up all the nuts and bolts that have rattled loose and replace them. Not the kind of thing you can do with an aircraft! Or at least not from one I want to fly! When your there in the factory, have a talk to Dave, he is a CFI who works for them, he is a geniuse at setting up the trim so the plane just sits in the air and flys hands free. The trimming process does take time, fly adjust, fly adjust etc. When I was first getting mine I wanted it in my hanger as soon as it looked like a finished aircraft, however when I flew it home and was at 8000 feet and flying around a really nasty thunderstorm, I was kinda glad they had tightened all the bolts so to speak! Andrew.

He seemed to be low flying with a full aircraft with no where to put down given engine trouble. I'd like to be a lot higher before I fly over that terrain... Glad to hear everyone is ok, very lucky

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Any advice from qld locals?

Poteroo, I agree. Or perhaps the regulators could have a controlled traffic endorsement for raa pilots and planes... Still if you bought two maybe the Brumby boys might cut you a deal. In regard to tail wheelers, I remember a guy telling me they are for pilots who think they can fly better than they actually can! My old man flipped one in a salt lake in WA. Pilot and passenger all ok but plane was a wreak. Still come to think about it, I get nervous when he is driving a car!

Hi poteroo, Mine is the blue and white one, it was probably in the hanger. So you wouldn't have seen it I'm guessing. It will be good to see one of these aust built planes in the west, Albany is a lovely spot. The great thing about this aircraft is that they really are a GA build but can have the less RAA costs. Tough discussion re which way to registrar it for your flying school. If you went GA, it would mean that from a student point of view, they can train in a new GA aircraft and get a ppl cheaper than having to learn in a new 300000 dollar 172. ( training in a 172 at a flying school i was talking to recently cost $325 / hour!)Might make ppl more affordable to those that need to fly into Perth airspace. Maybe just buy 2 aircraft, that way if a student gets a ppl, they can still do a quick raa cert and can cross hire the raa plane and still go into controlled space. Depends on projected demand at the flying club I guess, and got to crawl before you walk, but 2 is still cheaper than one new Cessna !

Hey poteroo, Glad you liked it, did you see mine in the hanger while you are there? What flying school are you shopping for? I'm sure it will be a hit!

Trip back was very good if you can hold the bladder and appreciate the scenery....

Rotax in snow mobiles, well I guess a rotax engine does start in the cold... Jabs built in qld for qld weather???

Very interesting thread, well it's great to hear the lycombing is performing well, There has been much anticipation about the 610 with this new engine. I can't wait to have a fly and see the difference, most of the time I'm good for 110 knots with the rotaxs so I'd expect at least 115 with the bigger engine. I flew from Bendigo to Port Maquarie a few weeks ago with a ripper of a tail wind, averaged just under 140knts, at Port Maquarie I encounter some GA boys who looked down at their noses at me an d said " oh your In the ultralight"... I just said, "yeah she goes ok, 140knts, 4 and a bit hours from Bendigo, 20 litres an hour mogas..." Didn't mention the tail wind, but hey, us "toy" aviators need to get a bit of respect...

Hi, my wife and I are having a drive around qld, and in a few weeks will be in cairns cook town area. I'd love to co pilot a plane up to the tip of Australia and back, either an over nighter or long day trip. It's about 400 Knt according to oz runways. We would need a 3 or 4 seater as she wants to come. Just thought I'd post this to see if any north queenlanders with a plane were interested. Seems a shame to drive this far and not see the tip of Australia, and I thought this would be a fun way to do it. I fly a Brumby 610, and I've made some enquiries with a charter company. So anyone interested or any suggestions from experienced pilots? Andrew

Thanks Andy, All the bits are up to spec and up to date. I guess I'm just seeing if RAA will introduce a CTA endorsement, or if the only way through will be to do a ppl and then go with the CTA endorsement that way. I'm just looking forward to a simpler way of entering controled space without in my raa aircraft without doing ppl. I guess a current medical would also be required....

Hi Jim, what's the chances of a controlled airspace endorsement for raa? I have plane with radio and transponder and all the bits. We should be able to do a controlled airspace endorsement, just my thoughts.

Hi every one, very interesting posts. I guess it matters little wether you own or hire, as long as flying is attainable to us poor average Australians. At least rec pilots can run our planes on mogas and not pay a carbon tax on it yet! I have a Brumby 610, pretty cheap to run, but I don't pay to shed it and can land it on my farm so that helps. Insurence is about 2300, and then reg and depreciation etc. Don't actually want to add it up really. Best not to know and just have fun. I do use it a fair bit for work and in my mind it is saving me time and money ( at least that's the official line to my better half) and she loves flying with me! As for all those guys with creaking bones and bad backs, I recently took my 95 year old grandmother for a fly in it. My wife is an occupational therapist and knew the best technique forgetting her in the plane, but my grandmother loved it. She did comment at the time that she had had a long life and didn't mind if it ended in a plane crash.... Glad to see she trusts my flying!

Great Steve, I'll check it out for you! I'm looking forward to seeing how yours goes... Andrew

Hi peteroo, Thanks for the reply, if everything goes to plan my Brumby will be at Cowra on the 2nd of August. Feel free to check it out, Paul will probably take you for a spin in the club one, have fun and give me a call if you want Andrew

Thanks dazza, rotax... Never could spell, was to busy looking up at planes than paying attention at skool

Hi poteroo, I have a Brumby 610 with the rotex 912 uls in it. Give me a call on 0448373132 if you want to ask anything. Actually it will be in Cowra for August as I'm putting bigger tyres on it, so stick your head in the hanger and check it out if you like. I'm very happy with the preformance, I use it as a touring aircraft and seem to get over the country side fairly smartly. Rotex engines just sit there and purr away all day. I've flown thru some rough conditions and it sits in the air well, it will be interesting to see how the lycombing goes. The question will be if more weight users up the additional horsepower? I guess we will know soon enough. Best speed in my Brumby was 164knts ground speed, (I was riding the crust of a dust storm) 54knts tail wind!

Hi all, I attended this year for the first time. I enjoyed it. Only regret the ozrunways forum was run a bit latter in the day on the Saturday. As I could only fly in and back on the Saturday, I couldn't make the 9am session. Still a lot of people have done a lot of work to put on this event, so thank you and well done. Every aviator I spoke to was friendly, so at least that part of the spirit do raa lives on.