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I am not sure of your figures here but accepting them for the moment, then a sudden mass adoption of EVS would be unsustainable but what we are really talking about is a 15 to 25 year process. The power grid has always grown to accommodate societal changes and industry. Norwegian electric vehicles revolution drives grid investments and managed EV charging can save millions People seem to think that the only way EV owners charge their vehicles is through public charging. Most EVs are charged overnight when traditionally there is a huge dip in power demand. There is an advantage in utilizing excess supply overnight. This referred to as "filling the bath" in the power industry and is considered useful. As I mentioned earlier my rooftop solar produces enough excess to drive a Kona EV 10000-14000km without relying on the grid so why would I pay for my daily recharge. There is potential in Vehicle to grid technology in terms of taking back small amounts of power and paying the owner to handle peaks which would ordinarily require the services of peaker plants which are hideously expensive to run. If we took the view that our grid was at its maximum possible size we would stop building new houses and factories. The growth of EVs is not so fast that we are going to suddenly hit a power crisis. Certainly EV adoption is growing at a far slower rate than rooftop solar installations. If you don't want to buy an EV then don't if you have no interest in alternative aviation technologies , that is absolutely fine.

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Not at al II am happy to post vast amounts of information if you like but why do you refuse to move the conversation to "off topic" rather than "recreational flying"?

Hey I am happy to continue here IF the members think this is a relevant conversation to have here. The last thing I want to do is be an annoyance to the members. So forum members and mods, is this within the scope of this forum or not? Should we continue drifting further from Electric Rag and Tube? I will be guided by the forum members and mods. By the way after I mentioned being off topic I actually did engage the your last post.

This really should be in off topic, it is a long way from rag and tube electric. I do take some responsibility for drift but how about we move it to a forum that is more appropriate. Having said that.......... No, It is quite easy to cherry pick (on both sides) articles. Yes, India really is moving away from coal and toward green energy Profiling the five largest solar power plants in India What ever the case is at India has a huge renewable sector. Here is the 2020 breakdown of installed power capacity. My question is, are you confidently asserting that the percentage of renewables will fall dramatically and the percentage of coal will grow dramatically in the next few years? This is something we can look at next year and the year after. It is quite easy to list proposed coal projects but these are up against proposed renewable projects. 5th largest installed capacity of renewable energy in the world in this country there seems to little appetite for building new coal fired power stations.

My wife and I recently bought Ebikes, we absolutely love them. Still get plenty of exercise but the power assist flattens out the hills. We rode to our local brewery for lunch today a 20km round trip. We often do a 40km ride.

It is also interesting to note that petrol stations did not precede the adoption of petrol driven cars. The demand drives to supply. We are slow adopters here but other countries are further down the track. The UK has 42129 connectors at 15616 locations. 10518 of these connectors are rapid chargers. London lamp posts turned into car charging points The fact is EVs and or hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and aircraft are coming like it or not. I will say again, my rooftop solar sends 2MWh per annum of excess electricity back to the grid for 10 cents a Kwh. I calculate this would drive the average EV for between 10000 to 14000 Km This seem like an attractive saving in fuel cost (as well as oil changes brake pads and servicing. i don't really care if people are enthusiastic or not but there are many who in a different age would be shouting from the sidelines at those idiotic Wright brothers and there stupid contraption that can barely get off the ground and will never be anything more than a novelty. i don't own an EV yet because I am pretty hard arsed when it comes to crunching the numbers, My present car 13 years old and in reasonable nick but has a pretty low market value, it simply makes sense to run it into the ground before purchasing something new. Meanwhile prices continue to drop and technology improves. I did invest some money in shares in an EV company ($1800 now worth almost $1200) in Nov 2019. I did this with rigorous research. I know that pretty much all the major legacy car companies have given dates for the end of ICE production and we know many countries have declared future restrictions on IC vehicle sale. The technology is improving at a great rate. Battery tech continues to evolve. A Tesla long range range has a greater range than my ICE vehicle. Cost is reducing. It is easy dismiss new technology without having a poke around to see what is happening

I have read this story before and yes that sucks. My understanding though is that this was eventually resolved. Since then things have progressed. Nissan Leaf owner upgrades EV battery for under $A3,500 Dozens Of Shops Are Now Replacing Nissan LEAF Batteries BATTERY SWAP GIVES NISSAN LEAF NEW LEASE ON LIFE This article is quite critical of the ADAC report as far as I can see. It is also 5 years old and the energy mix continues to evolve.

Yet it is being done. The difference between nbn and a charging network is that the cabling is largely there at least in the city and often alongside highways. Shopping centrer near me already have chargers installed. But again why charge at a public charge station when you can charge much cheaper and conveniently overnight for your weekly drive. I was reading recently about early cars in the US. Motorists bought fuel at the drug store. There was no network at the time.

Other than on road trips there is no need to charge at a station unless you don't have your own charger. My son drives his car into the garage and plugs it in to charge overnight (doesn't need to do this every night) The car then automatically charges on a low tariff. Just like in our aircraft we don't always lug around a full tank of fuel but we do manage it. I cant thin of many occasions when I have driven into at petrol station nearly empty. Norway is well ahead of us in EVs on the road so it is not uncharted territory. We do tend to try to fit this new technology into our old framework of refueling. EV drivers don't fill up every Tuesday but they tend to keep it charged at their own "petrol bowers" equivalent The nature of refueling when out will and is changing. Instead of a petrol station being the only place to refuel this will be able to be done at shopping Centre carparks café restaurants hotels motels etc.

My experience is of my sons Tesla 3, yes of course you will reduce the range with crazy take offs etc, but not to the degree that some believe. My son participates in motor sport and owns a couple of ICE race cars but his daily drive is a Tesla 3 AWD. He does drive it pretty hard. He has even had it on the track. I do take the point that driving an EV aggressively will certainly reduce the range but modern EVs at the higher end of the market have plenty on battery range. A lot of information that the critics of EVs use is quite old I do come across BexRbetter form time to time and a facebook group called Electric Vehicles for Australia, he posts occasionally., it appears that he sells EVs Not sure what EV this was but this is not really how they work these days, you don't suddenly get a light telling you you are about to run out of power. I have driven my sons Tesla around a good deal of New Zealand and it honestly was not challenging with regards to range and charging (75KWh battery). I would say that at this point an EV would not be the ideal car to suit your purposes (but they are coming). No many cars, whether ICE or EV are suitable for every purpose. I would certainly not drive my old ICE Ford Focus through central Australia. I also would not drive non stop from Melbourne to Sydney and I imagine most people don't but if that is important then sure stick to ICE until an EV with equivalent performance comes along and even then the choice will most likely be yours for the foreseeable future. The charging infrastructure in many parts of Australia is better than many people think https://myelectriccar.com.au/charge-stations-in-australia/` It is possible to travel around Australia even central Australia although I do accept that at this stage it requires forward planning so would not suit everyone. In terms of who is providing charging infrastructure there are quite a few companies as well as the NRMA, even oil companies are starting charging networks https://www.caltex.com.au/our-solutions/fuels/evie https://techau.com.au/first-bp-now-shell-are-in-the-electric-vehicle-recharge-game/ Whilst many would consider the network not good enough now the trajectory I don't own an EV but will certainly consider it my my present car dies. As I have mentioned before my rooftop solar produces a reliable excess of electricity that I sell back to the grid for bugger all, in fact it is enough to drive a Kona EV for 14000km each year essentially for free. Picture below is my son and his Tesla at a motorsport event.

It is quite fair to question the qualifications of the author of any opinion or pronouncement on all sides of the debate.

That couldn't be more wrong, well I guess they have been around a long time if that is what you mean but if you are implying old as in no longer used that is a different matter. From space to energy storage to new vehicles such as the Toyota Mirai fuel cells are being used now. For a detailed and academic deep dive into the technology try https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/hydrogen-energy-storage

Hydrogen fuel cells How Hydrogen Energy Storage Works

My rooftop solar generated 6.4 MWh last year of which I used 4.3 MWh this leaves a little over 2 MWh that I sell back to the grid. 2 MWh would drive a Kona EV for approximately 14000km.

What a coincidence, I was watching this very clip at the moment you posted this link

I am happy to engage with you in the off topic forum. You surely must be aware that this is a flying forum and that through past experience you are surely aware that many members do not want to talk politics here, out of respect for them why not continue in the appropriate forum. Your post above is purely political and doesn't even relate even in a vague way to the original subject.

I think there is a place for this discussion but it is in the off topic forum, not here.

Whether or not their deaths were a direct cause or a secondary cause (some of the 5 suffered heart attacks) you surely don't support the violence do you? There is certainly enough footage people being beaten with flag poles etc. You seem to question whether it constituted a storming. There is plenty of footage of windows being smashed and the idiots climbing though. If you think that event was justified then we probably have nothing more to discuss.

So what word would you be more comfortable using? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEEEMB0c5So Hang Mike Pence? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr1zP1xP63g

So you have no problem with the storming of the Capitol building? Trump lost. Usually the person who loses does so with dignity and humility. Trump and his supporters should dry their eyes and focus on the future rather than trying to rewrite the past.

What happened on that day was certainly not good for democracy and surely should be condemned.

5 people died including a policeman who was struck in the head with a fire extinguisher. The heart of government was stormed and the democratic process was temporally impeded.

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