facthunter Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Dick Smith might have made it a bit more user friendly in different circumstances. As I've said many times the fault is in the legislation that defines it's function. I do believe that you are entitled to express dissatisfaction. AOPA do it for it's members when they see fit. The beast changes from time to time depending on the powers that come and go. You reach some sort of understanding and think you have achieved some progress, and the new broom throws it out the window and all bets are off, and you start all over again. My involvement was mostly in incident and accident investigation. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Page Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Good Morning Turbo, You tell us you were reading somewhere that John McCormick was going to leave? (Post71) OR Could it be Warren Truss is not going to renew his contract? Now that Warren Truss is comfortable in his position could now be the time to let him and his friends know that thing are not very good with CASA. Yenn did mention that CASA had too much power, well start chopping the tree from the top that will remove power very quickly, looks like that is what is going to happen. (Post75) Just thinking...... Regards Keith Page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Keith, maybe Truss wants to do to aviation what Newman has done to the bikies and thinks that McCormick is too soft on serial offenders? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Page Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Keith, maybe Truss wants to do to aviation what Newman has done to the bikies and thinks that McCormick is too soft on serial offenders? Well CASA is trying to white ant RAAus just look at the RPL which is going to be introduced. This thread started "CASA's hidden agenda" could this be true? I think this audit thing could be fixed by gentlemen and ladies just sitting over a cup of coffee or two and having a sensible talk about how it will be done and etc, etc. and not this rot of point scoring over "you did not follow the rules". Remember how business used to be done "sorted out over a beer". That worked a treat and everyone was happy.......... Did work.......... . Now it is governance, transparent, systems and processes. Back a bit, remember your word was better than any binding contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 you are right Keith, some failed farmer rings up uncle Warren and says he needs a desk job. Bingo new CASA director with 2000 hours flying experience, mostly mustering or delivering hay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 McCormick's contract expires shortly. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 The RPL (Restricted Pilot's Licence) has been on the boiler since 2005 to my knowledge. Sorry to disappoint the conspiracy theorists here, but at no time was sidestepping or replacing RAAus mentioned in any of the discussions that I was involved in. It was being looked at as a relaxation of medical standards for PPL holders who were getting close to failing their Class 2 but could still meet some form of standard - Heavy Vehicle License conditions were the flavour of the month at that time. As it turns out, the conditions are now much more restrictive than originally envisaged, in much the same way that the whole Regulatory Reform process keeps turning in on itself, trying to reinvent the wheel to suit the definitive "Australian unique conditions". If you have the choice between a conspiracy and a c*ck-up, the c*ck-up wins 99.9% of the time. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I agree timb. I don't think it had anything to do with RAAus "Certificate". I know a bit more than I will let on here (and I mean it) It was in the pipe for years and the result is DISAPPOINTING. It might just work for some and they will be happy, not having to know the ins and outs, but it may suddenly not work, and straight back to the class 2 or 1. where they might as well have stayed. Nev 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Go onto the CASA website and have a read of 'Converting a foreign license'...what a joke !!....... If they would just simply say " we will recognise an equivalent foreign license as being equal to ours" ( Which of course it is )... But Nooooooo..........you have to first jump through all these hoops which is about the same as retraining for a PPl in the first place !!........why bother.........real sick of dealing with goons !...................Maj..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Well that's got nothing to do with CASA having a hidden agenda against RAA, but I took your advice, and here's the link - just five pages with a checklist on page 4. http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/fcl/download/ppla_requirements.pdf The only difficulty would be the Level 4 English language proficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank marriott Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Flight Rules & Air Law - need/should know to operate in Australian airspace. Flight test/BFR - Sounds pretty straight forward to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Agree with the" should know how to operate in aus airspace." Where would one get a book to cover "flight rules and air law" that would be comprehensible to a pilot? Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Ah now Nev, you've put your finger right on it, haven't you. I can recall being silly enough to order documentation for the whole of Australia when we used to get it on demand as part of the PPL, and I used to spend hours with the big ring binders, pulling out page 8357 (ii) and replacing it with page 8357 (ii) (a) which had a comma, and "Nangilooma Community" added to it, and doing this perhaps 70 times until the next mail when it would happen all over again. I should have known then there was a logic problem in the ranks, and today, instead of being instantly searchable, so you can do your planning for any flight anywhere within a reasonable time, we simply have an electronic version of the ring binders plus change after change with no logical overview, or even simple explanation of how the "strict liability" regulations nest with the "this would be a good idea" regulations with the we couldn't give a Sh$t what you do regulations, with the "go for it" regulations with the "pilot experience shows this is the best way to do it" tips with the "the reasojn you shouldn't do this is because that might happen" advice. Quite often, for discussions on this site, I will spend three hours wading through the CASA site like a blind disciple trying to find his way to Jesus, when an index would have given the original poster and the 30 or so participants the correct answer in three minutes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 A CASA Safety Management System would START with making critical flight information available and relevant to the particular operation for all involved. The current documentation we have to work from would keep all of Austalia's aviation specialist lawyers, FOI's and Check Captains arguing for years. There would be no agreement on meaning for a lot of it. Just going on line wouldn't fix it .It all needs re formatting. No gongs in that so it doesn't get done. That's how bureaucracies work. (Or why they don't work). Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank marriott Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I agree with the problems and time involved with the old manual amendments, and a lot of the time they were simply not done unless a check or further exam was coming up. At the same time although the electronic versions have this covered but unless someone tells you then you can be unware of an amendment until you access that part of the particular doc. for some reason. No easy answer, I have heard arguements for/against both. With the convenience and cost savings we just have to learn to accept the electronic method, its here to stay. Aviation is not an exception - try keeping up with the Traffic Act/Regs for example other then the bits the press decide to run with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 ?.. I used to spend hours with the big ring binders, pulling out page 8357 (ii) and replacing it with page 8357 (ii) (a) which had a comma, and "Nangilooma Community" added to it, and doing this perhaps 70 times until the next mail when it would happen all over again.. . Crickey, Turbs, that's a crippling affliction you have there! (As a fellow sufferer, I can say that.) I have tried a couple of times to have errors in charts corrected. Even when following the instructions on the map, they have sure made it hard! Buckpassing seems the rule to follow. The village of Dalman (which I helped dismantle in the 1960's) still appears on the Brisbane VNC, but there is no sign of the thriving village which inspires my avatar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennyboy320 Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Pilots are members of the RAA for a reason, they want the freedom to fly OCTA in modern high tech & reasonably priced a/c, for that reason I see no advantage to getting a RPL. As for GA who wants to hire a 30 year old bug smasher for $250-300/hr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadpete Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Hey, where's the "CYNICAL" button? Turb, you have my sympathy. BTW, thanks for all those times when you do research for us. It's nice to be able to anchor a discussion with facts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluespot Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 quoted----I see no advantage to getting a RPL. ----- There is a similar sentiment in a letter in the current "Sport Pilot" --- oh and the bit in the letter about the RPL only being good for < 25 nautical is incorrect --- endorsement for Nav Ex will exist. We need to face up to THE FACT that we have no choice but to transition to an RPL over the next 4 years. There are advantages for us: ICAO compliant -- as long as you have ALL airspace endorsements - so we can legally fly abroad "PPL by stealth" to quote a CASA presenter from one of the seminars. A class 2 medical bolted onto to our existing RAA cert -- post migration to RPL. We will be granted an RPL with the constraints or endorsements akin to what we have on our RAA cert on a "proficiency check" What will the function of RAA be? Administration of register? RTO? SMS management? Insurance broker? There will be no such thing as an RAA Cert in 2017 justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 There will be no such thing as an RAA Cert in 2017 justin So you have that officially from CASA in writing or are you adding up two and two and getting five? The RPL and the Pilot Certificate are two quite different things, and as we've discussed several times there are big drawbacks for an RA pilot attempting to use the RPL as an alternative. I've pointed out on a number of occasions, with virtually no response on this forum that RAA members were required to be ICAO compliant from approx May 2010, so there's no change in that, just non-compliance which now deserves some serious sanctions. Compliance is totally in the hands of RAA so you can't blame CASA for that. Since the RAA PL INsurance component is about 10% of what you actually need, there would be no point in the Association buying PL insurance from a broker to sell it to you, when you could buy it direct. At this point the future function of RAA will be determined by RAA members, who in the past four years have shown an underwhelming effort to address some administration issues and get involved in some of the more exciting aspects they have control of such as grass roots flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluespot Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 So you have that officially from CASA in writing or are you adding up two and two and getting five? The exact statement by a CASA Rep at one of th epart 61 seminars was " there will be a transition from RA Aus certificate to RPL" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 They may be referring to a Pathway. THAT has been stated from the outset. The other was from the PPL.(or above) nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chird65 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I've pointed out on a number of occasions, with virtually no response on this forum that RAA members were required to be ICAO compliant from approx May 2010, ... Ok Turbs, What part of the ICAO compliance are RAA missing. As far as I know ICAO are a peak body that promotes Safety in aviation internationally by recommending change. Each Aiviation body in their domestic country decide what and how they will comply. CASA have complete responsibility for aviation safety in Australia so are ultimately responsible for RAA operational safety. CASA have just recently signed a letter saying RAA are in compliance with their obligations. If i've got it wrong point me in the right direction. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Well for a start - if you are an RAA member you are required to comply with specific ICAO document for the Safety Management System mandated by CASA in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank marriott Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 A RPL [same as a PPL] will not permit you to fly a RAA registered aircraft, you must still have a RAA certificate and recognised AFR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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