gareth lacey Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I am planning a trip to Nelson Bay ,does anyone know aan airstrip that i can fly in and leave plane for a few days closer to Nelson Bay would be good , Thanks Gareth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 You may have noticed that Port Stephens is dominated by hugely expansive RAAF Restricted Airspace. There is a private strip YREM Remlap Park (Palmer spelled backwards). Never been in there but understand it is pretty tricky to get in and out of due to the restricted airspace. Closest you'd get to Port Stephens is likely to be YMND or YCNK. You can than the RAAF for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Gareth there is also the privately owned Walsend strip. They have been known to welcome visiting aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 You may have noticed that Port Stephens is dominated by hugely expansive RAAF Restricted Airspace. There is a private strip YREM Remlap Park (Palmer spelled backwards). Never been in there but understand it is pretty tricky to get in and out of due to the restricted airspace.Closest you'd get to Port Stephens is likely to be YMND or YCNK. You can than the RAAF for that. Blame the RAAF? Are you suggesting that they closed down Broadmeadow? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth lacey Posted August 10, 2015 Author Share Posted August 10, 2015 thanks guys , it looks to tricky for a low time pilot to take on , after a bit more research it looks like we will go north (where its warmer for my wife) thanks again for the advice cheers gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Blame the RAAF? Are you suggesting that they closed down Broadmeadow? No, it has more to do with their profligate grab for airspace. Have a look at how much of Eastern/Central NSW has been grabbed by the RAAF Richmond/Williamtown/Tamworth. Richmond restricted areas go out to Gunnedah and Gilgandra. Why? Because they can and did. At least the Williamtown Airspace is, for the first time ever, coming under a comprehensive review and redesign. The outcome is likely to be more Class C around the Military/Civilian YWLM but better access to altitude up the current Ultralight Lane. Have a look around SE Qld where there is another massive grab that is largely historical. Look at Oakley and wonder why they need any restricted airspace other than the immediate runway precinct. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Nowra is another tax payer owned facility which is under-utilised and over controlled. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 If it were up to me Richmond and Williamtown would be relocated to Tamworth. Help with decentralisation as well as being more secure and free up the coastal fringe for fun flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 No way Don, :no no no:you keep them down there where the weather is dodgy:rain: and the hills are close, we don't want them up here locking out our beautiful sunshine and windless plains:plane: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 It pains me to admit it, but I have to agree with SDQDI. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Tamworth is close enough to the main ranges to get the weather effect of them. It's both hot and then cold as well. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Tamworth is another place that's dodgy for staying outside CTA....I used to regularly fly from Narromine to Q to Tamworth to Armidale to Grafton flying up the range to the east of Tamworth. Had a good rate of climb but didn't every increase my Alt AGL until we hit the top of the range...... Gave it away as dangerous and ended up going east more south of Tamworth to get some safety height before the step...a much better class of tiger country....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Don, stop being such a NIMBY. You could always move to Quirindi, Gunnedah, Orange, Bathurst, Cootamundra. Williamtown was there before you were born. Now if RAA would just revise the Ops Manual and put CTA back in (and they got CASA to agree) there might be fewer problems everywhere. Coffs, Tamworth, Albury, Gold Coast. It is not just a RAAF, Navy or Army problem it is an Airspace issue. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Col, I'm happy for the Military to have a reasonable amount of airspace to play in but they grab huge amounts and have it active when in the real world it is not being used. Newcastle and Port Stephens do very well out of having the RAAF base at Williamtown and I personally don't mind it being there - just believe that, militarily, it should not be located within shelling range of the coast. And with the Government spending another $1 billion on Williamtown to cater for the F35 JSFm there is no way it will be moved to Tamworth or anywhere else. Richmond is a bad place to have any sort of big airbase because of the number of foggy days and being at the foot of the mountains results in some "very interesting" wind patterns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Col, I'm happy snip snip snip You are looking petty good there in your new plane. Keep well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Thanks Col. Smiling now but I have to lose a few kilos so I can fill the tanks :-( 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry80 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 'militarily, it should not be located within shelling range of the coast'....... Yes we have to be aware of 19th century flotillas from Spain, France and Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 'militarily, it should not be located within shelling range of the coast'....... Yes we have to be aware of 19th century flotillas from Spain, France and Russia. I believe that was a factor in setting up our early steel industry at Lithgow: far enough inland to be safe from naval gunfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I believe that was a factor in setting up our early steel industry at Lithgow: far enough inland to be safe from naval gunfire. And see how well that worked! Newcastle Steelworks got shelled and Lithgow wasn't. A raid could be launched from a stealthy aircraft carrier on Williamtown but the aircraft would be spotted before they got to Tamworth. There'd be a good 5 minutes warning available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If it was stealthy enough to get to williamstown it wouldn't be noticed getting to tamworth. Especially if you had moved the airforce from williamstown. I've always thought Dubbo would be a good spot for an airforce base but then that would put a big hunk of CTA between here and the inlaws which wouldn't suit me either:-( 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ...A raid could be launched from a stealthy aircraft carrier on Williamtown but the aircraft would be spotted before they got to Tamworth. There'd be a good 5 minutes warning available. Who is on the lookout? A few sheep farmers? The human animal is always preparing to fight yesteryear's war. Singapore was not set up to defend against the highly mobile and air-supported attack mounted by the Japanese. (The British should have known better, because they taught the Japanese how to build aircraft carriers.) We spend up large on big hardware when the major threat is probably from infiltration or economic sabotage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 RAAF Williamtown was built in 1941. (Like Amberley). These RAAF bases suffer from the classic, lets move them as they are too close to housing suburbs . Well they were their first so tough tittles. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Have been listening to FA18s running around the valley at night last couple weeks with refueling exercises orbiting around Merriwa at 24,000ft. Way outside their marked airspace. Why can't they do this out over the ocean? Couple weeks ago the D and R airspaces that control Willy were extended under a temp NOTAM that will eventually carry over as is to full time. Can't use airspace above 3500 or so over Rutherford now and noticed it has pushed Elderslie's jump ship to climb out and desend further west of the dropzone. How long will it be before they want to extend these two out further because they have bought newer faster toys? Willy may have been here before all those new residents but the RAAF have out grown the airspace. Can't find free airspace and airports are chockas in the Sydney basin and it is getting that way up here in the Valley all because of a few fast jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Have been listening to FA18s running around the valley at night last couple weeks with refueling exercises orbiting around Merriwa at 24,000ft. Way outside their marked airspace. Why can't they do this out over the ocean? Couple weeks ago the D and R airspaces that control Willy were extended under a temp NOTAM that will eventually carry over as is to full time. Can't use airspace above 3500 or so over Rutherford now and noticed it has pushed Elderslie's jump ship to climb out and desend further west of the dropzone. How long will it be before they want to extend these two out further because they have bought newer faster toys? Willy may have been here before all those new residents but the RAAF have out grown the airspace. Can't find free airspace and airports are chockas in the Sydney basin and it is getting that way up here in the Valley all because of a few fast jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry80 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 maybe they were conducting an exercise that required a feet dry scenario. I doubt the RAAF go out of their way just to impact RAA and GA pilots..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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