Cal Air 63 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hi All, Pilot Status: Student Goal: (RPC) Recreational Pilot Certificate, Flight School: Fly Now Redcliffe - http://www.fly-now-redcliffe.com/ Instructor: Peter Lefrancke Today's Aircraft: Tecnam P92 Eaglet (LSA) Lesson 06: Turning Back at YRED this morning for Lesson 06 in the Tecnam. Its Easter Monday, so Wayne my regular instructor is having a day off, so Peter drew the short straw, a beautiful day for flying, only a minor bit of cloud about in the training area whilst airborne, best part, managed to take some pictures. Completed my first Take Off today, RWY 25 departure, what a hoot!, Today's Lesson was all about Turning, there are 3 types of turns I have to learn, (1) Gentle Turn < 30° (level, climbing,descending) (2) Medium Turn 30° - 45° (level flight only) (3) level flight only) 60° (evasive action & training only) We did not do Steep Turns today, I will doing them a lot later on, Learning the turns was fun, finding that balance of aileron and rudder and applying the right amount of back pressure on the turns took me a couple of goes, but managed to nail it even to the point of getting the attitude, power and trim set right to have the plane enter into turns and fly itself After we landed, Peter and I sat down for the debrief, received some really good feedback, a couple of processes I did in-flight need some work, just need to apply a little bit more patience and not rush through some of the steps, I now have 5.1 Hours under my belt now, as Peter states, I have a good understanding on the content of each lesson and its now all about putting that knowledge into practice, Next flight in 2 weeks, cant wait! Thanks, Brent Next Flight - Monday the 11th of April Lesson 07: "Stalling" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustine Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Great to hear you've had a successful lesson! I've also done turning recently, my instructor demonstrated a spiral dive if one were to not keep the aircraft balanced during a turn. Exhilarating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGL Fox Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Back at YRED this morning for Lesson 06 in the Tecnam. Its Easter Monday, so Wayne my regular instructor is having a day off, so Peter drew the short straw, a beautiful day for flying, only a minor bit of cloud about in the training area whilst airborne, best part, managed to take some pictures. Well done Brent you are going well...yes we are starting to get into more stable weather now which is great, it was nice yesterday when I did some solo circuits in the SportStar....keep up the good work mate... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Hey Brent, Sounds like you're progressing well. Hey, congrats at getting her into the air all by yourself. You will probably do your steep turns when you are nearing the completion of your pilot certificate, that's how it was for me. With Steep Turns, the stall speed increases dramatically, If I remember correctly the Tecnam stalls in landing configuration at about 35kts and 40kts with flaps retracted. I believe a 60' turn adds 80% to the stall speed, so for your Tecnam this would be around 65kts with flaps. With the flaps up, this stall speed would be around 75kts. You could see this could be rather potentially deadly shortly after takeoff and on approach, where you don't have altitude to recover if you stall. so typically you only do them in an emergency. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Great to hear you've had a successful lesson! I've also done turning recently, my instructor demonstrated a spiral dive if one were to not keep the aircraft balanced during a turn. Exhilarating. Interesting?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I believe the mark of a good steep turn is to fly through your own wake. Only managed to pull it off once. Doing my BFR in an old straight-wing Cherokee 140, out around Warragamba Dam. Bang! Wondered what the hell hit me. Then the instructor said "Well done. Flew through your own wake." I was pretty chuffed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchroll Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I believe the mark of a good steep turn is to fly through your own wake. It indicates you arrived at the same spot you started. It doesn't say much about how you got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crezzi Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I believe a 60' turn adds 80% to the stall speed, so for your Tecnam this would be around 65kts with flaps. With the flaps up, this stall speed would be around 75kts. You might want to revise this with your instructor Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 You might want to revise this with your instructorCheers John What would I need to revise? I was just pointing out that turns increase the stall speeds of aircraft, especially steep turns, it's in the curriculum, and in the POH. Do you disagree with this?Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 You have the right principle nightmare but the numbers you quoted were just a smidge off if my memory serves me correctly. I think that you multiply your stall speed by the square root of the load factor. So a balanced level 60 degree turn should be about 2g so that works out to stall speed multiplied by approx 1.4 or an increase of 40% not 80% But small points aside congrats to the original poster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Any mention of adding power for the extra airspeed (and drag)?. Try a figure 8? (or two). Look for traffic before doing any.Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Any mention of adding power for the extra airspeed (and drag)?. Try a figure 8? (or two). Look for traffic before doing any.Nev He hasn't flown solo yet FH, or are you instructing the instructor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 If he is doing 60 degree turns I would think so already. It's about principles Turbs. Basic physics. It would be in any book worth having. To think of adding power in a turn would make airspeed awareness more acute . To not think of it is dangerous..Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 If he is doing 60 degree turns I would think so already. It's about principles Turbs. Basic physics. It would be in any book worth having. To think of adding power in a turn would make airspeed awareness more acute . To not think of it is dangerous..Nev He hasn't done steep turns yet - see post #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Adding power is always a consideration in any turn. I'm not trying to take over the training, just emphasis the important points for general discussion. Power settings are mentioned. Stalls in turns are the most common cause of grief. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchroll Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Lesson 07: "Stalling" Pay particular attention to this one and don't be afraid to practice it at a later date at a safe altitude once you get your head around it and your instructor is happy. Even practice it with an instructor if you need more confidence. Making your recognition and actions instinctive could save your skin one day. Good luck with your training! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Interesting to compare this lesson plan with CASA's new sample syllabus for Part 141. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Air 63 Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Hi All, Thanks for all the congrats, and tips, just to correct a typo on my original post, completed Training on Turns 1 & 2, Steep Turns will be in my training later on (1) Gentle Turn < 30° (level, climbing,descending) (2) Medium Turn 30° - 45° (level flight only) (3) Steep Turn. 60° (evasive action & training only) Cheers, Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 You have the right principle nightmare but the numbers you quoted were just a smidge off if my memory serves me correctly.I think that you multiply your stall speed by the square root of the load factor. So a balanced level 60 degree turn should be about 2g so that works out to stall speed multiplied by approx 1.4 or an increase of 40% not 80% Oops! You're right about the %'s, don't know where I got 80% from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rep003 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Congrats Brent :) You are several lessons in front of me so it is very cool to hear what's ahead ... Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Knight Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Great. Enjoy the training. The best instructor is the one next to you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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