old man emu Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jerry_Atrick said: One of the problems with TB20s is that the gear undercarriage horn is almost, if not identical to the stall warner. I would say that such a situation is a serious design fault. If I was in America, I'd be suing the carp out of the manufacturer for negligence in design. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Most Pilots would not know what the gear warning horn sounded like. Nev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_H Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 What I needed when Landing my J Mooney was the gear down to get the speed washed off enough. I would do a short steep climb on entering downwind and when below gear down max speed, lower the gear then correct the altitude. The gear warning sound must not have sounded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Maybe having the higher speed doesn't bring it on. or you'd get it any time you pulled power in flight. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_H Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 I think that you are right Mooneys glide so well that the velocities come quite high on decent, so high that you can freeze the engine. Just read about it happening....Geoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosi72 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 The POH says the warning horn is activated if gears are not down and locked and throttle is 1/4 from idle. But your Mooney might be a different version. The best is to test and confirm in training area. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 On 17/5/2023 at 11:00 AM, facthunter said: Too late to go around is when the prop has been reshaped Wouldn’t Prop be reshaped to Fine anyway as apart of final approach. Guess if you missed both checks prop and Gear it would be time to reconsider things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Well it must be the season. We had a Wheels up landing in a 66 or 68 Mooney at South Grafton today. The owner had just had it signed off after spending months restoring it after it was written off in the Floods of Feb/March last year. He bought it back off the Insurance company. I have not spoken to him yet but apparently he had a partial engine failure on downwind and decided to land long to make sure of missing houses/trees on the 26 approach & was pre occupied with getting down safely & forgot the wheels. He has about 800 hours on that aircraft. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Bugger! I guess wheels up reduces the chances of over-running the strip… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Them M20's are as slick a goose shit. Used to be navigator on one out of Dubbo in my youth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClintonB Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 My instructor told me a story of a former student in QLD buying one and wanting to be checked out in it, he was warned about performance and being a bit of a cowboy, put them in a spin they barely recovered from. He told me that was last time he flew with that guy, due to his inability to listen to experienced advice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Ando I meant "reshaped" meaning having contacted the runway. Pitch to fine is normal procedure on approach. All this fuss about the ship (Mooney M20) being super slippery. It's not a lot different to a Cessna 210 which is another retract. plane many fail to keep ahead of. Nev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Thanks Nev I’ve got you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_H Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Al Mooney was an aeronautical engineer during WWII. It is said that he designed the wings based on Mustang wings. They are laminar that makes climbing slower and descent quicker. I have heard of C210 vs M20J "races" the C210 beats the M20J in climb but the M20J surely beats the C210 in descent. I have had a descent fast enough to chill the engine, even with cooling cowls closed. With 2/3 the power of the C210 the Mooney does pretty well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Mooney's are fast for their 180 or 200hp engines. An RV with the same engine is significantly faster, back seat, who needs that. Lancair 360 with 180hp even faster. The fixed gear RV is hard to beat. Van's total performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_H Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Sure if 2 seats is all that you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 (edited) The average Mooney is a TAD underpowered. The later ones addressed that. Commanche's have a laminar flow wing also. Don't try to hold any of them OFF too long in the landing flare. You land a little flatter as they have a "sharper " stall. CLEAN planes need to commence descent earlier or you are not exploiting it's efficiency. Cold engine descents cause piston ring surface BARRELLING. AVOID them. Nev Edited May 20, 2023 by facthunter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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