skippydiesel Posted June 13 Posted June 13 Is it my imagination or has there realy been a marked reduction in the number of fly-in's this year? I much prefer the informality & comradery of fly-in's to air shows. Clifton, Qld, is coming up but seems to have reduced to a one day event - hard to justify a long flight for one day. After Clifton - nothing on the horizon that I know of. 😈
spacesailor Posted June 13 Posted June 13 That's a problem for many, is the lateness of hearing about a fly-in / drive in . But , didn't we have a " topic " for " spare seats & flyin's " . spacesailor
Thruster88 Posted June 13 Posted June 13 (edited) Well it is winter and camping out in nsw not much fun atm. In September we are having another Thruster muster in central nsw. Aircraft that are not Thrusters can come if they meet rigorous eligibility requirements 🤣 Skippy, did you go to frogs hollow, how was it? You should have come up to Old Station, weather was perfect and your old Zephyr was there. Edited June 13 by Thruster88
BrendAn Posted June 13 Posted June 13 On 13/06/2025 at 6:17 AM, Thruster88 said: Well it is winter and camping out in nsw not much fun atm. In September we are having another Thruster muster in central nsw. Aircraft that are not Thrusters can come if they meet rigorous eligibility requirements 🤣 Skippy, did you go to frogs hollow, how was it? You should have come up to Old Station, weather was perfect and your old Zephyr was there. Expand how many thrusters muster in a thruster muster 2
Thruster88 Posted June 13 Posted June 13 Last year we only got 6, hoping to do better this year. You would of course be welcome as a former Thruster owner.
BrendAn Posted June 13 Posted June 13 On 13/06/2025 at 7:31 AM, Thruster88 said: Last year we only got 6, hoping to do better this year. You would of course be welcome as a former Thruster owner. Expand it sounds like great fun. do you all fly in or trailer
onetrack Posted June 13 Posted June 13 On 13/06/2025 at 7:26 AM, BrendAn said: how many thrusters muster in a thruster muster Expand Sound like a Thruster Muster could turn into a Cluster! 2
409tonner Posted June 13 Posted June 13 Roma Aero club is hosting a fly in on the 9th and 10th of August with local car club’s also having a display. 2 1
skippydiesel Posted June 14 Author Posted June 14 On 13/06/2025 at 6:17 AM, Thruster88 said: Well it is winter and camping out in nsw not much fun atm. In September we are having another Thruster muster in central nsw. Aircraft that are not Thrusters can come if they meet rigorous eligibility requirements 🤣 Skippy, did you go to frogs hollow, how was it? You should have come up to Old Station, weather was perfect and your old Zephyr was there. Expand Unfortunatly no. Very Very Disappointed. Had been looking forward to & planning for both away trips for months. Purchased new camping equipment and all. Had the Sonex loaded & fuelled - Voltage Regulator failure caused me to return to The Oaks about 5 minutes after TO. Repair not feasible, in the short term, so missed Old Station as well. New CARMO CARR5005 VR now installed - with 2 hrs on the Hobbs performing well - long may it continue to do so.😈
skippydiesel Posted June 14 Author Posted June 14 On 13/06/2025 at 6:17 AM, Thruster88 said: Well it is winter and camping out in nsw not much fun atm. In September we are having another Thruster muster in central nsw. Aircraft that are not Thrusters can come if they meet rigorous eligibility requirements 🤣 Expand Septembers a long way away - something to put in the colanders when you supply details. There are quite a few towns that claim to be the Central NSW - Cobar, Condobolin, Hilston come to mind - tad vague😈
skippydiesel Posted June 14 Author Posted June 14 On 13/06/2025 at 8:51 AM, 409tonner said: Roma Aero club is hosting a fly in on the 9th and 10th of August with local car club’s also having a display. Expand As for Thruster - please provide details as soon as you have them . Part of the pleasure , for me, is the planning & expectation 😈 On 13/06/2025 at 8:51 AM, 409tonner said: Expand
skippydiesel Posted June 14 Author Posted June 14 Correction - I fitted a CARMO CARR5115 MOSFIT VR not a 5005.😈
Thruster88 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 On 14/06/2025 at 12:29 AM, skippydiesel said: Septembers a long way away - something to put in the colanders when you supply details. There are quite a few towns that claim to be the Central NSW - Cobar, Condobolin, Hilston come to mind - tad vague😈 Expand One concern we have is if someone bends their aircraft. Since PIC has been topical lately who is responsible at an unlicensed private strip, the pilot or the strip owner. Does a signed waiver have any legal value?
skippydiesel Posted June 14 Author Posted June 14 (edited) On 14/06/2025 at 6:20 AM, Thruster88 said: One concern we have is if someone bends their aircraft. Since PIC has been topical lately who is responsible at an unlicensed private strip, the pilot or the strip owner. Does a signed waiver have any legal value? Expand I am not a lawyer, so the following is speculation based on a little knowledge and some experince running public events. As I understand it - a limited yes. A waiver will not avoid responsibility for things like: Not declaring an unsafe situaton, known or should have known about. A deliberate act or failure to act, by the owner/operator or their designee, creating an incident. Falsifying something that leads to an incident eg best I can come up with at short notice, might be something like overstating the length /condition of the landing ground. Failing to adequately supervise/control the movement of aircraft, vehicles, people and even livestock, such that they not cause an incident. Licensed pilots who elect to land at private strip, do so at their own risk, subject to the owner/operator declaring all known hazards (if exist) taking reasonable (in the circumstances) precautions to keep everyone safe and signing "a waver" agreeing to landing/taking off at their own risk The only reason that a document , needs to be signed & returned, by pilots intending to use the landing ground, is that the owner/operator has a record of their willingness to attend at their own risk.. Simply posting a notice saying the same thing, is open to a pilot claiming they never saw it.😈 Edited June 14 by skippydiesel
Bennyboy320 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) Great turnout today for the Clifton fly in breakfast, thanks to Trevor & the Clifton team. Edited June 15 by Bennyboy320 3 1 2
Moneybox Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Doesn’t anybody take responsibility for their own actions these days? We shouldn’t always have to worry about who’s going to pay when an accident happens. Accidents are just that, take responsibility for the part you played in it and move on. Lawyers love this stuff, they thrive on litigation and most of it could be avoided if we just accepted responsibility without looking for somebody to blame when things go wrong. its this sort of mindset that holds us back from just enjoying a good carefree weekend away with friends in the way that used to when growing up. How ridiculous is it that the land owner who offers his property for others to enjoy has to worry about those using it will possibly sue him for damages if they make a mistake? 1 4
skippydiesel Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 On 15/06/2025 at 11:12 AM, Moneybox said: Doesn’t anybody take responsibility for their own actions these days? We shouldn’t always have to worry about who’s going to pay when an accident happens. Accidents are just that, take responsibility for the part you played in it and move on. Lawyers love this stuff, they thrive on litigation and most of it could be avoided if we just accepted responsibility without looking for somebody to blame when things go wrong. its this sort of mindset that holds us back from just enjoying a good carefree weekend away with friends in the way that used to when growing up. How ridiculous is it that the land owner who offers his property for others to enjoy has to worry about those using it will possibly sue him for damages if they make a mistake? Expand All true, could not agree more. For those contemplating a "open to the flying public" event, most of the precautions are realy just common sense/curtesy. Why would you not; Warn of hazards that are not in your control to remove. Give information on landing ground conditions, etc Have some degree of aircraft/people/vehicle movement control. Get pilots intending to fly in, fill out an RSVP (that includes words to the effect"........ at your own risk"😈 1
onetrack Posted Monday at 12:41 PM Posted Monday at 12:41 PM You can advise "at your own risk" all you like, but if someone crashes on your property, and they're injured or even killed, all it takes is one clever lawyer to advise the injured party or their spouse/close relatives that you failed in your duty of care, and the lawyer for the complainant has found a reason to pursue a claim - then your advice about "at your risk" is worth very little in any ensuing legal action. To protect yourself, you really need to carry out an airstrip Risk Assessment, record the details, and initiate a Safety Plan (and record that, too), thus ensuring that you took satisfactory steps, that met your Duty of Care to your airstrip users. New territory that people have not ventured into previously can contain hazards that they're not aware of. You must make sure all hazards are logged, and the details provided to the airstrip users.
skippydiesel Posted Tuesday at 06:09 AM Author Posted Tuesday at 06:09 AM On 16/06/2025 at 12:41 PM, onetrack said: You can advise "at your own risk" all you like, but if someone crashes on your property, and they're injured or even killed, all it takes is one clever lawyer to advise the injured party or their spouse/close relatives that you failed in your duty of care, and the lawyer for the complainant has found a reason to pursue a claim - then your advice about "at your risk" is worth very little in any ensuing legal action. To protect yourself, you really need to carry out an airstrip Risk Assessment, record the details, and initiate a Safety Plan (and record that, too), thus ensuring that you took satisfactory steps, that met your Duty of Care to your airstrip users. New territory that people have not ventured into previously can contain hazards that they're not aware of. You must make sure all hazards are logged, and the details provided to the airstrip users. Expand Nicely put Onetrack - more concise than the same opinion /advice I gave earlier. The way I see it is - The property owner/manager/event organiser, should act as if they have a much loved family member proposing to land on their strip. Yours & my advise will pretty much achieve the best outcome. Its not fool proof, however I would hope a court (if it came to that) would deal favourably with someone (a Club) that is able to demonstrate they did everything in their power to advise pilots/visitors. Being able to show a document/email signed/sent by the aggrieved pilot , acknowledging receipt of the advise. will go a long way, in favour of the organisers😈 1
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