red750 Posted Friday at 09:34 AM Posted Friday at 09:34 AM https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/italy-plane-crash-breaking-shocking-moment-small-aircraft-crashes-plunges-onto-busy-highway-2-dead/vi-AA1J9Ncr 3
Thruster88 Posted Friday at 10:03 AM Posted Friday at 10:03 AM Easily avoided by not stalling the aircraft. 1
facthunter Posted Saturday at 12:58 AM Posted Saturday at 12:58 AM Not stalled in a vertical dive. Nev 1
Marty_d Posted Saturday at 01:11 AM Posted Saturday at 01:11 AM Imagine being in that car that drove straight through the fireball in the second after it hit. 1
BrendAn Posted Saturday at 01:17 AM Posted Saturday at 01:17 AM 17 minutes ago, facthunter said: Not stalled in a vertical dive. Nev bet it started with a stall as thruster said 1
facthunter Posted Saturday at 01:59 AM Posted Saturday at 01:59 AM Once it's unstalled why not try to recover? As speed builds up the nose attempts to rise anyhow. You'd have to force it to stay in a vertical dive. Nev 1
Thruster88 Posted Saturday at 03:05 AM Posted Saturday at 03:05 AM 2 hours ago, facthunter said: Not stalled in a vertical dive. Nev If you look carefully the aircraft is rotating so most likely in a spin, to spin one must first stall yes? 1
facthunter Posted Saturday at 05:16 AM Posted Saturday at 05:16 AM Most likely rolling about it's own axis just building up speed.. In a spin the speed remains constant.. Nev 1 1
Thruster88 Posted Saturday at 06:05 AM Posted Saturday at 06:05 AM 48 minutes ago, facthunter said: Most likely rolling about it's own axis just building up speed.. In a spin the speed remains constant.. Nev Whatever 1
Thruster88 Posted Saturday at 10:23 PM Posted Saturday at 10:23 PM The aircraft in question is a Promecc Freccia RG. It is a European "ultralight " Mtow 472kg. The specs show a cruise speed of 140knots and a stall of only 35knots. 35 knots is a maximum for the class..... 2
onetrack Posted Sunday at 01:04 AM Posted Sunday at 01:04 AM Highly likely to be a stall-spin crash, the simple event that kills a lot unwary or unskilled pilots. This young bloke presents a good, thoughtful video, on how to be aware of the important link between stall and spin.
facthunter Posted Sunday at 01:22 AM Posted Sunday at 01:22 AM I've done Plenty of spins and aeros and taught both. IF I had to guess I'd say it's a medical event, I've also watched the vid about a dozen times. ALSO planes don't stall by themselves. It's a perfectly fine day. There's no evidence of any control application. The Plane is so close to being vertical there's no difference. Nev 1 2
onetrack Posted Sunday at 01:42 AM Posted Sunday at 01:42 AM It could also have easily been unauthorised aerobatics that got out of hand. I can't find any flight tests of the aircraft in English, but I found one in French. These fast European "plastic fantastics" can have some nasty "bites" in their handling. 1
red750 Posted Sunday at 02:08 AM Author Posted Sunday at 02:08 AM From a report by The Mirror: Two people onboard the aircraft, a 75-year-old lawyer from Milan named Sergio Ravaglia and his female partner Anna Maria De Stefano, 50, are reported to have died. 1
facthunter Posted Sunday at 02:09 AM Posted Sunday at 02:09 AM Any of that would be pretty visible in ITALY. The silly tail is just for looks, like a lot of this stuff. Rich people's toys.. Nev 1 1
BrendAn Posted Sunday at 03:13 AM Posted Sunday at 03:13 AM 1 hour ago, red750 said: From a report by The Mirror: Two people onboard the aircraft, a 75-year-old lawyer from Milan named Sergio Ravaglia and his female partner Anna Maria De Stefano, 50, are reported to have died. It would be surprising if they were alive 1
danny_galaga Posted yesterday at 02:53 AM Posted yesterday at 02:53 AM I'm definitely not experienced enough like a lot of you, but I feel fact Hunter is on the money. Also, on a different matter, look at all those trucks etc like "there's nothing to see here. I'm late for work" 😕 1
onetrack Posted yesterday at 08:30 AM Posted yesterday at 08:30 AM You can't get truckies to stop for anything. Try slowing them down at roadworks, or at any accident site - their favourite saying is "pedal to the metal". Not letting up on the loud pedal when disaster is looming, has killed a lot of them - and a lot of innocent people, too.
facthunter Posted yesterday at 08:38 AM Posted yesterday at 08:38 AM They are always in a hurry. They were good on the Nullarbor . Passed my veteran Indian over the Centreline and gave me the whole lane. I tried to make it easy for them too. .Nev 1
Thruster88 Posted yesterday at 08:45 AM Posted yesterday at 08:45 AM On 26/07/2025 at 3:16 PM, facthunter said: Most likely rolling about it's own axis just building up speed.. In a spin the speed remains constant.. Nev In a spin aircraft roll and yaw yes? We see the aircraft for a very brief time, i see about 90° of roll, how can you see it is accelerating? There are many videos of aircraft spinning to the ground on the web now, they all look very similar, straight down will rotating. I believe it is in a spin and you will not convince me otherwise. 1
facthunter Posted yesterday at 08:57 AM Posted yesterday at 08:57 AM That s OK. A spin is like being stuck to the inside of a descending rotating cylinder and the speed doesn't build up no matter how long you are in it. It Hit the ground FAST straight on the Nose. Developed spins are usually flatter the longer you are in them. I don't think anyone was controlling that Plane. Nev 1
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