China is sorting out their supply chain

[onetrack]

It all comes back to the fact that when you're a multi-millionaire, and looking for investments with your spare millions - that offer a high ROI - it's easier to invest in property (any property - even farm values have gone ballistic), or into a highly profitable mining venture, to gain rapid and substantial monetary returns, than it is to invest in manufacturing, with its red tape, labour and skills problems, and difficulties with marketing and sales.

 

You don't see Gina Rinehart and Clive Palmer investing in manufacturing. They put their money back into the easy rewards investments - which all have major tax advantages, as well. I would blame a poorly-constructed tax system for part of the problem, which has left us with a major property bubble, and a country full of great big holes, which only return their investment once, and which then leave future problems to the upcoming generations.

 

Even our energy supplies have never been addressed properly - but at least Labor is assisting in weaning us off fossil fuels, unlike the other mob, who want us to "keep drillin' baby!" - and to keep those "rolling coal" exhausts spewing out black smoke. Cheap energy supplies will assist manufacturing industries, but the manufacturing industries must be innovative, to keep ahead of the Chinese, who play the long game.

[Siso]

Not sure they a fixing it. 2030 looks like coal is on par with intermittents plus storage, even with their stupid coal description being on a greenfield site with the most expensive coal plant they could find. Not a coal fan but makes you wander what else they have been misleading about.

 

[facthunter]

We are actually NOT Doing that BAD skip. Look up FACTUAL comparisons.  Could you list a few of these  SMALL Countries exporting to the World? A significant HOME Market does make a good base for Building a Business in Manufacturing. Exporting has risks beyond your control. Trump as an example. Nev

[danny_galaga]

3 hours ago, Siso said:

Not sure they a fixing it. 2030 looks like coal is on par with intermittents plus storage, even with their stupid coal description being on a greenfield site with the most expensive coal plant they could find. Not a coal fan but makes you wander what else they have been misleading about.

 

Well, I was talking about their aviation supply chain, how they make their power is neither here nor there. But they have installed more solar than coal in recent years, and increased nuclear. Australia needs to think about what to do when no one wants coal for power anymore 

[facthunter]

Australia would HAVE TO be one of the best places for wind, solar, pumped hydro and batteries.  Rapid response to demand changes is NOT provided by Coal OR Nuclear.    The People who talk of baseload constantly mislead and NEW Coal and NUCLEAR are way too Expensive and Polluting and take a long time to build and are centralised (except for the SMR's which are still not economic.) None of the Retired British Nuclear  Subs have disposed of their spent fuel. Grids are expensive unsightly and subject to weather events. Costly to maintain and repair, unreliable and very expensive for remote areas requiring constant attention to Voltage drop over large distances with transformers and losses. With Solar wind tidal with Batteries Whole areas could be independent of the grid. Who wants to LIVE near Coal Mines, Coal Power stations OR a Nuclear Power station that requires LOTS of water (which WE don't have).  Nev.

[Arron25]

3 hours ago, facthunter said:

 

Japan’s Yoroi Reactor Ushers In a New Era of Micro-Nuclear Power – Tehrani.com – Tehrani on Tech

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<p>Above graphic for illustrative purposes only. Key Takeaways: Japan has quietly taken a radical step in nuclear energy innovation with the deployment of the Yoroi Reactor — a compact, self-contained nuclear...

Doesn't use water  Decentralized Manufactured and transportable and a whole less polluting than acres of glass destroying land or wind farms with a 15year lifespan with no recyclability 

[pmccarthy]

World demand for coal has gone up year on year forever. Renewables have not replaced a single tonne of coal, they are just adding to a growing overall power supply globally.

[Siso]

14 hours ago, facthunter said:

Australia would HAVE TO be one of the best places for wind, solar, pumped hydro and batteries.  Rapid response to demand changes is NOT provided by Coal OR Nuclear.    The People who talk of baseload constantly mislead and NEW Coal and NUCLEAR are way too Expensive and Polluting and take a long time to build and are centralised (except for the SMR's which are still not economic.) None of the Retired British Nuclear  Subs have disposed of their spent fuel. Grids are expensive unsightly and subject to weather events. Costly to maintain and repair, unreliable and very expensive for remote areas requiring constant attention to Voltage drop over large distances with transformers and losses. With Solar wind tidal with Batteries Whole areas could be independent of the grid. Who wants to LIVE near Coal Mines, Coal Power stations OR a Nuclear Power station that requires LOTS of water (which WE don't have).  Nev.

We will see unfortunately! Spent fuel is slowly getting less radioactive heavy day. After a few 10 of years the radioactivity has dropped a lot and is more easily handled. Political/public perception problem, not an engineering one.

[facthunter]

Siso, 100's of thousands of years.  That's not a perception.

  Pmcc THAT is a twisted representation of the reality. Renewables are an increasing PART of the Mix

  Also solar doesn't render paddocks unusable .  You can still graze or cultivate beneath it, and Certainly not when it's on the roof of Bunnings which has a heavy connection to the Grid  The SUN is nuclear and we wont change anything by utilising the sunlight  that comes here anyhow. IT won't run out.. Burning coal and Nuclear ADD to the Heat already here. Nev

[Siso]

First 500 years and the high level really radioactive nasty stuff has decayed to less then when the uranium came out of the ground. The rest is not very radioactive, hence the long life. This can also be used as fuel for a fast reactor when they come on line. Uranium and Thorium is still radioactive bur we live with it as it is long lived. I have thorium in the shed(tig electrodes). Information easily found on the net. We should be using the term intermittent renewables as that is what Australia is trying to use to get to net 0. Our approx. 7% hydro is not really going to help. Country's that claim they are really are near net 0 have at least 70% or more traditional hydro. Norway, Quebec. 

[facthunter]

That's why the  WHOLE World hasn't found a satisfactory Place to store this stuff. It's UNSAFE for ages . Can get into water tables. Pumped hydro is just a one of MANY possible  forms of storage... The water used is recirculated as many times as you like..  Nev

[Methusala]

While some by products of nuclear fission become less threatening over hundreds of years others,  plutonium and uranium 235 have almost unbelievable half lives extending for tens and hundreds of thousand of years. We don't want this shit, ask the bikini atoll inhabitants (those who haven't succumbed to various cancers).

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[pmccarthy]

Between 1946 and 1958 the United States tested 66 nuclear weapons on or near Bikini and Enewetak atolls, which had previously been evacuated. NCI investigators concluded, based on extensive analyses described in their publications, that populations living on any of the other atolls in the Marshall Islands archipelago were exposed to measurable radioactive fallout from 20 of those tests.

In this carefully considered analysis, National Cancer Institute (NCI) experts estimate that as much as 1.6% of all cancers among those residents of the Marshall Islands alive between 1948 and 1970 might be attributable to radiation exposures resulting from nuclear testing fallout. Due to uncertainly inherent to these analyses, the authors calculated a 90% confidence interval of 0.4% to 3.6%.

Marshall Islands Research Project and Findings - NCI

[Siso]

Natural reactor at Oklo in Gambon, Africa( Illonois energy prof) found the fission products do no migrate far through the water table. Thorium and U238 have longer half lives so is that really dangerous. The longer the half life the safer they are. Remember we use to use Uranium for luminous dials and thorium in the old tilly lamps. (before you mention the radium women, we don't lick paint brushes used on oil based paint or used in parts washers either. Cyanide, arsenic are dangerous forever but we don't panic about that for people to find in the future. Some fission products become harmless after some minutes. Might be attributed is a pretty broad statement. A lot of the publics perception is a fall out of the cold war among older generations that went through the cold war. I use to think the same.

[danny_galaga]

3 minutes ago, Siso said:

Natural reactor at Oklo in Gambon, Africa( Illonois energy prof) found the fission products do no migrate far through the water table. Thorium and U238 have longer half lives so is that really dangerous. The longer the half life the safer they are. Remember we use to use Uranium for luminous dials and thorium in the old tilly lamps. (before you mention the radium women, we don't lick paint brushes used on oil based paint or used in parts washers either. Cyanide, arsenic are dangerous forever but we don't panic about that for people to find in the future. Some fission products become harmless after some minutes. Might be attributed is a pretty broad statement. A lot of the publics perception is a fall out of the cold war among older generations that went through the cold war. I use to think the same.

Cyanide and arsenic don't radiate gamma rays, which damage DNA.

[Siso]

The long lived spent fuel tends not to have gamma rays. After a few hundred years you would nearly have to eat it to be harmful. I wouldn't as it is still a heavy metal. The high gamma emitters tent to be short lived. Cobalt 60 is a gamma emitter and has saved more lives then it has deaths. It is used for medical imaging and industry. half life of 5.27 years so after between 40 and 52 years it has decayed to pretty well nothing. 7-10 half-lives depends who you ask.

[facthunter]

Madame Curie didn't last long. When YOU are having an X ray the staff are behind lead sheets. Doctors advise not to have many of the one where you are injected with a radioactive isotopes before Imaging.   Flight Crew get cancer from exposure to radiation at High altitudes. You don't have X rays IF you are Pregnant . Who wants to live NEAR a Nuclear Power station? Terrorists make "DIRTY" Bombs from the stuff you say you can eat. PS I think I know the Source of your info. Do yo wish to tell us?.  Nev

[Siso]

Madame Curie was around before they new what it was and safety practices weren't up to scratch. I would live next door to a power station in a heartbeat, more chance of getting run over by a truck than anything happening with a NPP, Source of information for making dirty bombs out of the long lived parts of the spent fuel please or is it from a movie(the peacemaker). X rays and gamma rays aren't the same thing. We work with stuff everyday that we should limit our exposure to. People get cancer from staying out in the sun too long. Easily researched from reliable sources on the net. end of discussion

[facthunter]

YOU accuse others of being selective but won't name  YOUR sources. Bit weak don't you think?. Look up SAFETY issues with the Trident subs in Scotland, currently being addressed in the UK parliament. Even Coal burning sites have Environmental issues during  their Life and after they are  decommissioned and they commonly FAIL in a big way and can't be cranked up and down easily. Nev

[Siso]

heres one of them https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-waste/radioactive-waste-management ,  Its not had to fine plenty of sources. still waiting for the dirty bomb source!

[BRL]

Probably better off wondering what plastics doing to you and the environment than fretting about nuclear.

[danny_galaga]

To drag back on topic. This is a ground test firing of their reusable rocket stage, similar to Space X and Honda

 

 

 

[facthunter]

One of the Obvious Problems with Australia is the diversion of capital excessively towards House Investment, instead of into MORE PRODUCTIVE things. We have the Biggest Houses in  the World. You can Blame John Howard for that. Houses are for Housing PEOPLE . NOT the Favourite Investment for the entire country.  Nev

[Methusala]

I find it curious that people attack China, Vietnam even Cuba for their limited form of democracies. I have visited the former 2 and find healthy, well adjusted populations and booming economies. How does this compare with USA, Britain and France. These countries are distinguished by  governing systems that inevitably favour the rich, powerful elites and are very poor in providing essential infrastructure such as  public health, housing and law enforcement. No graffiti or street gangs, virtually no beggars in China.

Please discuss... Don 

[facthunter]

 A musician friend of mine regularly went to Cuba. Had a Bike there ready to use. Loved the Place. No starving there.  Of Course it made the USA angry and they embargoed the Place and wouldn't buy any Sugar from them. or anything else. Nev