Teckair

This is how stuff goes wrong on forums, what I thought what may have happened is the controller saw the aircraft skidding sideways and said to straighten it meaning it could have been unbalanced and ready for spin entry. I have been going on about the practice of steering on final with rudder only for a long time now, you might get away with it in a C 150 but not a good idea in some other types. I have never seen the practice endorsed in any training manual and wonder why on earth it is taught.

The controller saying straighten up what does that mean? going sideways? skidding? then a spin anybody know what causes that?

Not to mention the incorrect use of the rudder which is widely supported and taught.

Well you can think that if you like and it is true a flooded engine will not run but that was not your problem.

The motor bike sounds like it was flooded but your plane ran on one ignition which it would not do if it was flooded.

I don't think so but you would be best to check with Jabiru. That does not sound right to me plugs usually get fouled with carbon or oil I highly doubt that was your problem. It sounds like the right ignition system had a intermittent fault.

Everybody is not missing the point read the posts again. People were rightly concerned about the dangerous practice of shutting down the the engine in flight. That was not the question as silly as that would be, read it again. My understanding is Jabirus are not fitted with 'maggies'. Turning the engine off close to the ground has the potential to damage everything including both ignition systems the plane and the people in it.

And what about all the reasons given as to why it is a bad idea do you disagree with them to? Don't have blind faith in the instructor it could still go wrong. With a dead engine the instructor might have trouble getting you both out of trouble.

I have had quite a few engine failures sometimes with a student on board but have only ever shut an engine down once deliberately. I would not normally do it unless there was something wrong with the engine which has happened once. There are a stack of reasons not to do it at 1800 revs you could get a explosion in the exhaust which can do damage, on final even worse idea what if the student stuffs the flare? no power to fix it! shock cooling will crack heads my advice is if your instructor does that look for another one. I think it is it is unprofessional and a bad idea. I know of one case where a instructor caused a bad crash just by pulling the power at the wrong time. It doesn't matter how nice you think your instructor is, there are plenty of bad instructors out there that students who don't know any better think are great.

Obviously it was some kid flying a drone.

Woops.

Err I don't think so, how many jets have done how many flights since MH370? I'm guessing more than 804.

Yes what are the odds?

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Yes I was not happy and I find it hard to believe he was taught to do that my guess is he was taught to make small inputs with the rudder on final and the line got blurred to where he ended up doing that. I think we made the turn onto final normally and it was when he realised we had over shot he stood on the rudder. Absolutely dangerous still and makes me wonder how many people have died doing stuff like that. I did report it and to the best of my knowledge nothing was done about it. One guy told me he was given spin training in a RAAus Jabiru. I have given up reporting stuff it ends up being your word against theirs and you get branded a dobber.

I spoke to the then CEO about it who said to put it in an email to the then Ops manager which I did. I did not keep a copy and as far as I know the instructors who teach that way still do it and no action was taken. What started all this was an incident where I was doing a tail wheel endorsement for someone, when turning onto final we had over shot the turn and the guy stood on the left rudder which caused a violent skid. The ball tried to fly out of its casing and my bum was jammed against the right side of the seat, when I tried to stop that action the indignant pilot said he had been trained to fly like that. There has been a lot said about this matter and I have found the pilots who have been trained to fly like that think it is a great idea. It is not just RAAus there are GA schools who teach the same thing.

Yep side slipping done correctly is good but I think you know that is not what I was on about.

I am amazed at how many instructors teach their students to fly unbalanced and nobody does anything about it, you can report things to the RAAus Ops managers but it is a waste of time.

And more proof that using rudder only for directional control on final is a bad idea.

The same reason we hear your crap after all it is a forum.

I am glad that turned out the way it did and it is so true take notice of the warnings you are given.

That comment was not aimed at you but others who said there were so many better options. My guess is some of the people who reckon it could have been done better are probably right but when was the last time they did it better?

Hey Phil he might have landed with a tail wind but that does not affect the indicated airspeed just the ground speed. It is easy to criticize but he walked away and some pea-brains call that a good landing.

At least he didn't stall it and fall to the ground like a rock.