shafs64 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 this guy should get a talking to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Fil Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Reg 25-275 shouldn't be too hard to identify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Looks like it could be a 'green screen' job where the background is added via video editing later... Drifter pilots in actual flight look like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Some of the best flying I've ever done was on beaches just like that one, and the Drifter is made for it.!!...that's why i really miss the Drifter sometimes....just not the same in the Lightwing.............................................Maj... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nong Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 A talking to. What about? Nothing wrong with enjoying a spot of good old fashioned ultralighting. Good on you, fellas! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What and you twits would put that up on You tube too would you .....?????!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XP503 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Have to chuckle, the pilot in this video is a very well known and respected CFI and ROC. The flight also takes place over a designated low flying area. For the record, not something I would do in my Drifter but not as reckless as it looks. :-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Well I am relieved to know the flight was legal ... Not sure I would put it up without saying it was in a designated low fly area on the video title though. This would probably get a bit of attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XP503 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Yea I absolutely agree David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 Ok i withdraw my first statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Have to chuckle, the pilot in this video is a very well known and respected CFI and ROC. The flight also takes place over a designated low flying area. For the record, not something I would do in my Drifter but not as reckless as it looks. :-) Another CFI setting a bad example - the RAA culture is badly in need of repair. David maybe the flight does take place as you say, but there is no disclaimer, no qualification. We are already discussing here the death of two people resulting from exhibitionism with the possibility that it started by someone in authority. Can't these people THINK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Another CFI setting a bad example - the RAA culture is badly in need of repair. It's a version of Godwins law - a thread here will always drift into either Jabiru bashing or RA-Aus bashing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfox1 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Excellent flying can see anthing wrong with that, best place to do some low level flying plenty of space to put down in case of engine failure beach was clear if most pilots learnt some low level flying they would be able to handle their aircraft bit better in case of engine failures. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Well said and totally correct Skyfox1 !!.....................................................................Maj... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 Have to chuckle, the pilot in this video is a very well known and respected CFI and ROC. The flight also takes place over a designated low flying area. For the record, not something I would do in my Drifter but not as reckless as it looks. :-) Question What is he well respected for. And what does ROC stand for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 If you have the qualification, and it's a designated low flying area, or you have owners permission, and are abiding by the clearance between people/buildings/main roads... nothing wrong with it at all. BUT! It's not good uploading a potential video as such and having no indication of the above... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 If you have the qualification, and it's a designated low flying area, or you have owners permission, and are abiding by the clearance between people/buildings/main roads... nothing wrong with it at all.BUT! It's not good uploading a potential video as such and having no indication of the above... Well said young fella. I agree it is excellent training when done properly and in the right area. This is what we used to do legally when were NOT allowed above 300' ... oh how times have changed since we have 'advanced' to fantastic plastics ... The problems is this video is not identified as a legal operation and as such clearly sends the wrong message given recent coronial findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 They certainly have David. After putting in a lot of flying training, and many hours of theory and being prohibited from flying below 500 feet, I can remember being bemused at the hypocrisy of people being allowed to build their own aircraft, train themselves, and fly in the illegal zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Moore Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Even when something is done legally we all still find reasons for it to be a STUPID idea, setting a bad example and reckless behaviour!!!! Seriously some of you guys sounds as bad as CASA and like the only way you will ever be satisfied is when were all flying 747 directly from A to B with absolutely no joy involved! It is easy to repost stuff on you tube and we have no idea who put the video up, could be an unrelated, non aviation person who thought awesome video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 You've managed to miss the point totally Louis, have another read, and also go over the Youtube, and various threads on Michael's death, and you might come to another conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Isaac Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Louis, I can understand why you would think what you have expressed. I too support low level training done legally and don't forget when I first started flying ultralights in 1982 everything was below 300' (well supposed to be ). However in the light of all the published videos that young Michael O'Keefe put up on U tube of his illegal flying which tragically ended up killing him and his mate, this video is particularly poor form especially as it had no disclaimer attached to the video saying it was an approved low level flight. Low level flight of this nature in rag and tube types like the drifter are completely safe with the right skill and aircarft type ... BUT ... are also completely illegal unless in an area where permission is gained from the land owner and the PIC has an RAA low level endorsement which endorsement is ironically is NOT available or required in a GA aircraft. The irony of that is that I can legally fly my Auster below 500' with the landowners permission with no legal requirement for low level training (not smart) ... but if I fly my Javelin over the same property I need an RA Aus. low level endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Moore Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Louis,I can understand why you would think what you have expressed. I too support low level training done legally and don't forget when I first started flying ultralights in 1982 everything was below 300' (well supposed to be ). However in the light of all the published videos that young Michael O'Keefe put up on U tube of his illegal flying which tragically ended up killing him and his mate, this video is particularly poor form especially as it had no disclaimer attached to the video saying it was an approved low level flight. Low level flight of this nature in rag and tube types like the drifter are completely safe with the right skill and aircarft type ... BUT ... are also completely illegal unless in an area where permission is gained from the land owner and the PIC has an RAA low level endorsement which endorsement is ironically is NOT available or required in a GA aircraft. The irony of that is that I can legally fly my Auster below 500' with the landowners permission with no legal requirement for low level training (not smart) ... but if I fly my Javelin over the same property I need an RA Aus. low level endorsement. I have no problem with any of that David, I just feel if we start condoning people for doing the RIGHT thing because some one else did the WRONG thing then we are all chasing our tails around in a big circle that ultimately ends up in an unnecessarily negative view of aviation. Turbo I have read the reports about the crash people are referring too and I do not think it makes this video poor form. If you watch something like this and go "hey thats cool I'm going go try it" then personally I think you probably are not all that smart in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Perhaps they "are not that smart" whether they are or not, WE are the losers when it comes to grief. Aren't we witnessing "just that" now. Simple cause and effect. People love to show off and push the boundaries. Vids like that DO encourage people to copy them. Also people who CAN fly like that CAN fly an aeroplane. IF everyone could fly like that there would be less accidents as they would be better pilots. When unqualified pilots TRY to fly like that they often become a statistic, and everyone reckons we should be put out of the sky. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Did he break the rules and if so which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Ive only just spotted the 2nd page, so further comment. We have all had to undergo Human Factors training, so if that is working we should be able to work out if low flying like that is safe for us. Having done low flying training in GA I think I have a better grasp of what could go wrong than some untrained people. I see it all the time on the roads now, there are signs saying don't do this and do that, but the road toll is going up in Qld. My belief is that we should give back control to the pilot / driver and let him make decisions. Not just have some do gooder saying what is being done is dangerous. Look at my previous question, I would like some opinions to see how awake you all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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