Robbo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Or we could get rid of both the AVID and the ASIC and be like the rest of the world. People that have your kind of attitude do not deserve the privilege of holding a licence.. Harsh but true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I'm sorry but one day a terrorist is going to do something bad and either not have an ASIC, in which case all hell will break loose, or....he'll have one and all hell will break loose. In both cases the current farsical situation will, with much handwringing, get a whole lot worse for the flying community.....these things never seem to get better. Or whatever happened that suddenly made regional Australia a terrorist target will be fundamentally addressed so that once again kids can be invited to the flight deck to see all the action....as we used to before the world got a whole lot madder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 There are pieces of scum in this world that will do anything to destroy our life because we don't believe in there despicable beliefs, and a lot of these scums are sleepers and often have a clean record and not known to authorities so the asic procedure is not full proof but at least it helps vent potentional criminals. The government can only do so much, you may or may not agree but at least the asic program is venting people with an adverse criminal record or who are known to asio or the federal police. A lot has changed in the last few years because of these scums and you can thank these idiots for making us have to get asics. I have no hesitation in paying $200 if it helps stop these idiots that are going around killing us all and destroying our planes because we don't believe in there shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I have no hesitation in paying $200 if it helps stop these idiots that are going around killing us all .......... So the ASIC should be extended to activities actually undertaken by your idiots ..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I am talking about stopping these idiots from working in aviation and gaining access to aircraft and airports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 You presume that as a result of the current process there are goups of would be's sitting around looking for an alternative kaboom option....... On the otherhand I believe that the Kaboomists will be undeterred and instead:- 1) The box beside "Do something....anything!!" is now ticked 2) The box beside "In relation to 1) ensure that something/anything doesn't cost the Government anything in terms of costs or a reduction in public support" is also ticked 3) and finally the box beside "Under no circumstances should something/anything in 1) above be applied to any group larger than an irrelevant minority" is fully ticked The simplest way to kaboomification is a bloody big LPG B double and I don't see those being escorted by armed staff....my J230 on the other hand can almost lift the weight of a single tyre on the truck so I can see why Joe Public needs protecting from us...... Its a crock plane and simple (pun intended)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 People that have your kind of attitude do not deserve the privilege of holding a licence..Harsh but true. Wow. What a strange thing to say. I try not to get personal on these forums and will refrain from doing so now but I feel the need to point out the following. 1. I make my living from flying. I am an Australian tax payer. My opinion is informed and I would not think much of a country if this opinion stopped me from holding a pilot licence. 2. Did you know you do not need any sort of security clearance to lean to fly in Australia if you are not learning at a security controlled airport. You only need the clearance when you finally pass and apply for your licence. 3. The multi million dollar ASIC security industry in aviation is a burden on tax payers and the flying public. The only time any one has looked at mine it was when I got a flat tyre on the main runaway of an international airport, and then only after I had been taking to the guy for 20 minutes and he thought he better make a note on his log to justify his time. 4. No one checks your ASIC before you land at any Australian airport. 5. Air Force personnel only have one security check. The one they have when they join. After they leave and fly civilian they suddenly need one every two years. If you are in the Air Force you need an ASIC to fly civilian aircraft but not when you are in your Air Force plane (sometimes armed with real bullets I suppose). 6. Why every two years for an ASIC? Why not just an initial check before training? Why are pilots so mistrusted they need to be single out and checked every two years? Why don't I need a clearance to drive a truck or a car which could be filled with explosives and do as much damage as a plane (and this regularly happens all around the globe causing more deaths than all the plane crashes in the world). 7. Why do Qantas pilots have to go through security screening before getting on their aircraft but the luggage handlers do not? 8. Why do you not need anything like an ASIC in the US or NZ? Only in the hot bed of terrorism that is Australia is this necessary. The system is a joke and no politician has the intestinal fortitude to do anything about it. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 .... and would need to be renewed every month or so to catch the current crop. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 People that have your kind of attitude do not deserve the privilege of holding a licence..Harsh but true. Emotive hogwash Robbo. I have an ASIC, which is due for renewal soon and I will renew it because I occasionally want to land at places like Narrabri, and Dubbo but I am also one of those that think it is totally useless at most airports they are 'needed' at. But to say because I think that way that I don't deserve the privilege of holding a licence (I actually only have a certificate) IMO borders on rediculous. To say they stop potential criminals is also an overstatement, theoretically they should stop criminals (those with a record) but how on earth can you stop potential criminals? We would all be potential crims. I think at places like Narrabri they are a complete and total farce. A few weeks ago on my way to a property west of Moree I was busting for a leak and pulled into Narrabri, I hadn't planned on stopping there so my ASIC was stowed away and seeing as I was busting I just jumped out and hopped over the fence and then once more relaxed I hopped back over and unpacked my ASIC just for show really. So really at a regional airport like that does the ASIC serve ANY purpose? Certainly leaving it in the plane did not slow me down at all and I can't see how a terrorist without one would be disconvenienced (is that even a word?) at all. As for saying if we can afford to fly then the extra 200$ shouldn't be a problem, SO WHAT. All those extra $ add up and just because I'm a pilot and fly doesn't mean I have extra money to throw around and even if I did why would I want to be wasting it on something that i see no real benefit from? 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 These are my opinions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 These are my opinions..... And you are entitled to them of course, but after reading and looking at the logic of the replies have we changed your mind? Even a little? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 No Sorry.... I always stick to my opinions. I apologise if I personally attacked you, I respect your opinion. I am just sick of all the crap people are saying about asics and avids so got a bit frustrated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhysmcc Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 We honestly don't know how many people have been prevented from flying after failing an ASIC check. We also don't know if any such check may have sparked interest with the Feds who then kept a closer eye on someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Robbo can you give any reason for them to be needed at places like Narrabri? IMO the ASIC was a ill thought out knee jerk reaction that no one in power feels they can reduce/remove because of the fear of an illusion of lesser security. I think in bigger airports and for those directly involved with RPT aircraft that they serve a purpose but for the majority of rural security controlled airports it would not reduce or affect security in any way if they were removed (or more realistically reduced to only major airport hubs maybe even just the controlled airports) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I am not disputing the fact that at some places you woulden't need it, but the thing is it needs to be uniform. If a pilot who flys commercial jets has to have one then so should a person who flys jab's from a desert strip. The fact is if you hold a ticket that allows you to command an aircraft or work at an airport you need an asic. I just think it needs to be uniform across the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Well with that logic cyclists and soccer mums should be made to get the same medical as a commercial truck driver? That seems to me to be totally illogical. Why not have it required at just controlled airports and for those directly involved (flying and loading) with the RPTs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 We honestly don't know how many people have been prevented from flying after failing an ASIC check. We also don't know if any such check may have sparked interest with the Feds who then kept a closer eye on someone. And isn't that a fantastic thing....I mean its common place in society to implement expensive change and then when someone asks can you prove that the expensive change brought society the expected benefits we all say....well...... nothing really cause we don't speak about such things... Medicine in the main relys on evidence based research, if you want to shove a pill down my neck you must jump through so many hoops showing it on balance is more beneficial than not. If medicine used the proof around ASIC's we would still be relying on blood letting..... It, like most things in life is about mitigating risk...from my unbalanced perception it seems that risk is little reduced yet the costs to a small subgroup of society is out of control...... I put it to you that I can probably do more damage in the car I drive to the airport than the plane I then use......yet no one is suggesting for a moment that car drivers need to undergo a security check, not because it would result in less of risk reduction than the aircraft case, but rather the whole of the voting country would be affected and to be blunt simply wouldn't allow it to happen! So in otherwords real risk reduction has been sidelined by political reality....I hate that and I hate even more that we as a group have no political capacity to call it for what it is and refuse to play (pay!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I actually got asked for my ASIC at Toowoomba. A young lady who was escorting a fuel truck to fuel up the RFDS asked me for mine as I was walking from the gate back to my aircraft. Having had and used daily an MSIC since the day of there inception I was well aware of the rules of wearing or displaying your ASIC but in this case mine was in my pocket. When asked for my ASIC I said to the young lady if you had the authority to ask me for that then you would know that yours should be on display first. She promptly pulled hers out of her pocket as did I. I have no problem with ASIC being required at airports that have RPT. My problem is simply that I have an MSIC, it costs me $537.00 It used to be valid for 4 years, but is now only 2 years. Why then should I also need an ASIC. Why would one not suffice. We do after all go through the same AFP check to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Geoff... I was able to get an MSIC using my ASIC security check, MSIC only costed about $20 to print the card and expires at the same time as the ASIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I had my MSIC but still had to go through the hoops for the ASIC. That may be because I applied for the ASIC through RAA. Next time I will renew through the same people who do my MSIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Its a crock plane ??? Which plane is a crock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 ??? Which plane is a crock? that was the (pun intended) so a weak pun...but about as funny as anything ASIC related can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz3g Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Kaz, what's the anamoly?To exercise privileges of a licence then an AVID or ASIC is required. If one doesn't need an ASIC then its gotta be an AVID. on my reading of them, the Regs don't allow CASA to determine whether or not it is an ASIC or AVID that should be issued. Yet that is what they are doing in the application form. Clearly there is a need for one or the other if flying on a CASA licence but I can't see any legislation that gives CASA power to decide which one a licence holder can apply for. It does have power to decide when an ASIC is required. CASA is just one of a number of issuing authorities and responsibility for the Regs is with the Department, not CASA. Perhaps there is something about this somewhere in CASA's $300m legislation re-write but I haven't found it there yet, either. Kaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank marriott Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Well at least I now of ONE person who agrees with the ASIC card arrangement. Until now I didn't know anyone involved in the aviation industry who agreed. Learn something new each day. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz3g Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I am talking about stopping these idiots from working in aviation and gaining access to aircraft and airports. Perhaps you could apply your energies and intellect to stopping them from gaining access to a cement mixer? Holds a lot more than a C172. Kaz 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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