rgmwa Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Informative description of another unnecessary pilot error accident in the US. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Well worth watching. This point has to be repeated and repeated. Seems to catch even the very experienced pilots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Wow. Thanks rg. Thats a fantastic example of one of the big problems that still seems to catch people. More evidence to suport the notion that 'picking up" a dropped wing with rudder is NOT the go in a stall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreywh Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 You have to wonder what they were thinking. Obviously not taking flying too seriously... It looks to me like they were trying to land on 19 and made a dogs dinner of the approach. Steep turns, close to the ground, slow (approach?) speeds, you would marvel if the aeroplane DIDN'T crash. HF didn't save either of them and one being an instructor? How can you train against rank stupidity? I am VERY aware of approach speeds . Low and slow near the ground is dangerous...So are crossed controls! Read "Stick and Rudder"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Yes. being a review flight, and the position to the runway, the rate of decent, i think it was a PFL onto runway19, with the subsequent stuff up of the glide and perhaps some steep turns to allign, or 's' turns?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 All the ingredients are there. Non standard circuit height entry no proper circuit planning, cramped circuit, downwind on base, overshoot the runway centre line, high bank angle high wing loading, incorrect rudder application. IF the instructor was flying he was sitting on the RHS so can't see the runway, especially since they were heading away from it. The aircraft "flicks" & rolls over the upper wing due to the yaw and it's all over, Rover. This is the way it goes. Nev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 The "Volvo Driver" syndrome? My aircraft has great stall safety, so I'll push the limits... The safer we make our planes, cars, etc, the less careful we become? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 more like they bought their licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 From memory of reading the NTSB report of this accident the instructor had never flown a Cirrus before - a significant factor in my opinion. Did a flight review for some-one in a Yak 52TW yesterday including a PFL to a landing at an airfield. 3,000 ft on downwind and we discovered the glide angle similar to a Pitts i.e. similar to that of a manhole cover. Even worse with LG down. He misjudged from being high on final to an undershoot so changed to a powered approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I'm pretty sure someone posted this a while back, but may be considered relevant on this topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwrfEsCiltc Comments? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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