DrZoos Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Hi just wondering if you dont mind saying what insurance costs people are paying for low wing trikes , low hour pilots and who is that with. The SAAA claims far cheaper insurance ?? any idea how much cheaper. Can someone confirm this Painting of Aluminium Aircraft Anyone know how much an external strip of all paint, new primer and paint costs on an aluminium LSA aircraft roughly from experience. Please no guesses. New paint is 95% white with some blue and grey highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth lacey Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 ours cost $2000 primer.paint,clear,all the tape,cleaning and sandpaper , we were quoted $6000 to do it by a spraypainter cheers gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've done a few RV7s and my rag n tube jigger, usually around the $4k for labour on a three colour scheme, and materials would run around $2-3k depending on the brand, stripping old paint is hard to quote as it has a lot of variables, Cheers Matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZoos Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Thanks guys. The one in question has no primer so it should be a bit easier "I think". Now heres a real prickley question.... Is stripping and repainting the exact same colour maintenance or modification. Because the way i read it (which isnt the opinion that counts) is its maintenance if the paint type and colour are identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Thanks guys. The one in question has no primer so it should be a bit easier "I think".Now heres a real prickley question.... Is stripping and repainting the exact same colour maintenance or modification. Because the way i read it (which isnt the opinion that counts) is its maintenance if the paint type and colour are identical. It's maintenance, even if you change the colour. The only time it could be considered a mod is if you change to a surface finish that for some reason is not approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've just been quoted $12,000 plus GST for a basic white plus 2 colour trim scheme on an RV. Anybody know anyone in WA who knows how to paint aircraft and might be less expensive? rgmwa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pudestcon Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've just been quoted $12,000 plus GST for a basic white plus 2 colour trim scheme on an RV. Anybody know anyone in WA who knows how to paint aircraft and might be less expensive?rgmwa I know there is a business situated at the Northam Airfield who paint aircraft. Pud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I know there is a business situated at the Northam Airfield who paint aircraft.Pud Thanks Pud. I know who you mean and contacted them last week for a quote. The other quote came from a business at Jandakot. I thought that $13.2k for a simple paint scheme was a bit over the top, but the Northam guys may not be much cheaper. rgmwa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pudestcon Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Thanks Pud. I know who you mean and contacted them last week for a quote. The other quote came from a business at Jandakot. I thought that $13.2k for a simple paint scheme was a bit over the top, but the Northam guys may not be much cheaper.rgmwa Some time back the guy doing the painting was painting an aircraft in his spare time on the weekend. I got the impression it was not as part of the business there, but using the facility. The guy did work for the company, but I'm not sure what the deal was. Ask some questions on the airfield might deliver a good result for you. Pud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 you can buy a car for that sort of money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I spoke to the guy who owns the Northam business last week. He said his painter will be back at the end of the month and he was looking for another paint job to give him. He said they've had a patchy year so far. I guess I'll see how the quote looks first. Hopefully it will be more reasonable than the first one. rgmwa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Quite a good car actually. Cars are cash converters. Convert cash into thin air. I would imagine some of the 2 packs are hard to remove and the strippers are savage as I've used some on other jobs. (The proper aviation type ones) I wouldn't like any traces to be left between the laps of the sheet metal, and if it is done wrong (by sanding) you would wish you hadn't started. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I'm starting with bare metal Nev. No paint to remove. rgmwa (Apologies for the thread drift, Dr Zoos) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I would have thought the removal would be the hard part. You don't need thick paint on an aircraft. Just adds weight. They used to use acrylic lacquer which I prefer as you can touch it up. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalman Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I would have thought the removal would be the hard part. You don't need thick paint on an aircraft. Just adds weight. They used to use acrylic lacquer which I prefer as you can touch it up. Nev Most of the modern 2paks can be touched up fine, and unlike acrylic they hold a gloss a lot better in harsh conditions, the same can't be said for 2pak over fabric, it holds up fine but you can't remove it to do repairs to the fabric, shiny ,yes, practical,,,,not really. Acrylics are easier to use without a booth and are hugely forgiving to spray on, but gloss retention is poor, they're also more susceptible to humidity blisters if there's any moisture in the air when spraying . On a metal aircraft I'd go ( and have done ) for a good quality 2pac, and the automotive stuff is quite alright and much easier to use than some of the aerospace urethanes , added to that you have a massive choice of colours . Good quality is any of the top line products, glasurit( don't get talked into water borne) sickens, Ppg , they'll all have a complete system for aluminium from wash primers or acid etchs up to topcoats. I've done some aircraft in 3layer pearls and although it looks nice it's a lot of paint and a real pain in the arze to match for touch ups , some of the nicest paint jobs I've seen are the simplest , the RV websites/forums are great for ideas. Cheers Matty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've just been quoted $12,000 plus GST for a basic white plus 2 colour trim scheme on an RV. Anybody know anyone in WA who knows how to paint aircraft and might be less expensive?rgmwa Got a mate at Serpentine having his Glassair painted. Will see who is doing it........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Got a mate at Serpentine having his Glassair painted. Will see who is doing it........... Thanks, that would be much appreciated. rgmwa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Most of the cost seems to be labour so I am considering painting mine myself. One of the guys here painted his own with an etch primer base & Dulux Metalshield topcoat. It is a single pack paint, has a good high gloss finish with no orange peel effect and this was his first attempt at spraypainting. You can also get a number of colours in touchup spraypack aerosol cans. 2 pack is too hard to deal with for an amateur especially a first timer & also a lot more expensive. I will be preparing the aluminium with prekote put on with scotchbrite pads. Prekote is non toxic unlike other aluminium chromate treatments such as Alodine, then a good super etch primer & Metalshield top coats. Material costs estimated at under $500.00 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Thanks guys. The one in question has no primer so it should be a bit easier "I think".Now heres a real prickley question.... Is stripping and repainting the exact same colour maintenance or modification. Because the way i read it (which isnt the opinion that counts) is its maintenance if the paint type and colour are identical. Stripping and/or painting - but especially stripping - is maintenance, regardless of the colour. In GA it requires either an Engineering Order or an approved procedures manual. Professional aircraft paint shops must have one or the other. I don't know how it's handled (or, indeed, whether anybody is conscious of the issue) at RAA level. However a metal aircraft does indeed require approved procedures; it is possible to damage an aircraft to the point of write-off if incorrect procedures are used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pylon500 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I've just been quoted $12,000 plus GST for a basic white plus 2 colour trim scheme on an RV. If the aircraft is registered, and can be flown distance, it may be worth looking at quotes over East, and flying there for the job? Happens a lot in the States.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I'm starting with bare metal Nev. No paint to remove. So polish it then...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 quote="pylon500, post: 316341, member: 31"]If the aircraft is registered, and can be flown distance, it may be worth looking at quotes over East, and flying there for the job? Happens a lot in the States.. That could be an option although I was thinking to have it painted before the first flight. There are pros and cons to doing that, but I'd prefer to get everything finished. Also thought about painting it myself and kgwilson's method sounds good. The RV12 would be fairly easy as the wings come off so they can be turned over for painting. The underside of the fuselage is really the only tricky bit for a novice painter. I'm still making some enquiries and am not committed to anything yet. Thanks for all the suggestions. rgmwa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 So polish it then...? No thanks Gnarly. From what I've read about polishing aircraft, it's not for me. If you go down that track, you will be polishing forever, and the RV12 with it's `pop' rivets is not a good candidate for polishing anyway, as the polish gets trapped in the rivet heads. rgmwa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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