facthunter Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sweep back complicates things and since it moves it's inertia must do something too. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sweep back complicates things and since it moves it's inertia must do something too. Nev Also when that sweep back has a thing called a floating cross tube connected to the main spar usually where the wires or the struts join on the leading edge that crosses across the keel, it is meant to float and not be restricted, it floats for a reason like to allow billow ect in the sail Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 IF you had something like an ordinary wing it would be impossible to fly, in a practical sense. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Forget it Kasper, we're doing nicely thanks. Answer the man turbo you started it................. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty 1 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 https://www.raa.asn.au/documents/airworthiness/AN10072015WS%20Pannier%20and%20external%20storage%20devices%20approval%20required.pdf Date: 10 July 2015 RECREATIONAL AIRCRAFT AIRWORTHINESS NOTICE AIRWORTHINESS NOTICE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER: 10072015WS Fitting of external storage devices (PANNIERS) to Weight Shift Aircraft. To: All owners and operators of Weight Shift Aircraft. Background: During a recent investigation, it was identified that the Airborne 912 XT weight shift aircraft was fitted with 3 External PANNIERS (External storage devices). These were fitted to a Light Sport Aircraft and had not been approved by the manufacturer. Members are reminded that equipment must not be fitted to LSA Aircraft without approval by the manufacturer. In the case of Type Certified aircraft, approval may be granted by an appropriate issuing authority for Type Certified aircraft. Action Required: Immediately Prior to NEXT FLIGHT: Owner/operators of Light Sport Aircraft (LSA) are required to contact the manufacturer and seek approval for the fitment of any external storage devices if already fitted. In the case of Type Certified aircraft approval may be granted by an appropriate issuing authority for Type Certified aircraft. If approval is not provided, external storage devices such as PANNIERs are to be removed IMMEDIATELY. Reports and Recording. The initial inspection is to be recorded in the aircraft log book citing 10072015WS. Any further questions please refer to the manufacturer. Darren Barnfield National Technical Manager Defect Reporting and accident investigations are primary means for ensuring continued safety in our operations. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev17ifly2 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 The notice also warns against using the internal space in a weight shift wing for storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (a) It is always applicable if the POH specifies any minimum or maximum weights.*(b) RAA is simply matching CAR 235, which doesn't give RAA, HGFA, or the pilot any discretion. *The Airborne Edge XT912 Streak/Cruze for example says in 2.6.9 "Minimum Pilot Weight. The microlight aircraft must only be flown solo from the front seat. Minimum pilot weight flown solo shall not be below 55 kg. Maximum power at minimum TOW can cause an abrupt climb rate that, if uncorrected, may cause a wing attitude of greater than the placarded maximum of 45 degrees." This would be a critical calculation factor if for example a teenage pilot was about to solo. Forgive me if I've missed something, but in all training ops in the UK, with regard to Flexwing / weightshift aircraft, if the pilot to go solo is an undernourished stick insect, it is permissable to carry a ballast i the rear seat, to correct for the lack of pilot weight. I have not seen any reference to this, but forgive me if someone has mentioned it, asw I've SPEDREAD the posts. Phlexwing Phil. ( I never need a ballast ! but a jerry can for a backrest in an older trike isn't a bad idea. . . ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Unless it's a cat or two of course! Or in my case, 2 dead rats, a dead rabbit, several other assorted dead rodents and a live toad. . . . .which plopped onto my lap whilst taxying ( Great Preflight Phil ? ) I know of a bloke who ruined my favourite C-150 by stuffing drugs in plastic bags into both wing tanks in France. He ran out of fuel half a mile off the white cliffs of Dover at night, and crashed on the top of the cliffs inverted, and seriously injured ( aircraft- G-BOTY, or G-BOUZ can't remember which. . . date: circa 1995) He was "Rescued" by the local cops, and Her Majesty is currently looking after him in one of her many hotels. . . ( the bugger is probably out by now, you don't get long for drug smuggling over here. . .) sorry to go Off Topic a bit,. . .dunno why I suddenly thought of that. . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I wouldn't do it in any trike wing, a wing is designed to be a wing, if it was designed to carry gear the manufacturers would have made provisions for it.Alf Sorry to be boring again Alf,. . . I have anecdotal evidence of pilots stuffing 50 Gramme packs of hand rolling tobacco into trike wings, this has been a way of smuggling baccy for some years, and I'm sure customs know about it,. . .but I have not seen any evidence of anyone being caught at it. . . . a 50G pack of baccy sells in the UK for around Eighteen Quid,. . but it can be bought on the continent for less than 3.5 Euro. . . . ( Exch. rate 1 Euro = £0.71 ) big profit margin in that,. . .pay for your fuel on the trip, and unlikely to jam the FCT if you don't overdo it,. . . .not only this, if your Rotax fails over the channel,. . .the baccy might act as a buoyancy aid ! ! ! OK, OK, no more silly posts, my apologies. Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Sorry to be boring again Alf,. . . I have anecdotal evidence of pilots stuffing 50 Gramme packs of hand rolling tobacco into trike wings, this has been a way of smuggling baccy for some years, and I'm sure customs know about it,. . .but I have not seen any evidence of anyone being caught at it. . . . a 50G pack of baccy sells in the UK for around Eighteen Quid,. . but it can be bought on the continent for less than 3.5 Euro. . . . ( Exch. rate 1 Euro = £0.71 ) big profit margin in that,. . .pay for your fuel on the trip, and unlikely to jam the FCT if you don't overdo it,. . . .not only this, if your Rotax fails over the channel,. . .the baccy might act as a buoyancy aid ! ! !OK, OK, no more silly posts, my apologies. Phil Phil I can't see why we sent you back to the mother land You should come back as the damp and dinge is getting to you over there Please when you come back pack as many 50 gram Bakkie pouches as you can 18 quid seems a bargain for we are paying the best part of 50 bucks a pouch these days Just don't pack them in a cavity that will change your profile or alter your floating waste tube as I really would hate it to jam up as it could bring you down quite quick and also ruin the Bakkie Cheers Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Give it up. You do more flying then, with the money saved and you won't smell like an ashtray. Nev 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Ask me . I've given it up four times, often for considerable periods but the LAST time I meant it and Its about 10 years now and I don't miss the nerve sticks at all. I can smell the gum leaves,The food and beer/wine taste better. I can walk for 7 kms easily. I wish I'd never had the first one. It's clever exploiting of the human addiction factor by bastards who know how bad it is for you but keep peddling the stuff. regardless. Send them the bill for your cardiac and lung problems. nev 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi303 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I gave up on the way though Hong Kong.. . Spent a year in China, 7 Yuan a pack of 20 readymades, that's $1.20 Kiwi at the time. Got to Honkers, $45 HKD a pack, or around $9ish Kiwi, Nah, too much. got back to NZ and they want around $16 for a CHEAP pack of 20!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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