So what's the big announcement on Friday

[Aldo]

With ops into Primary airports cost is a big factor. I have no idea what landing a Bonanza at Kingsford Smith would cost these days, and if you mucked up and sent an A-380 around I imagine someone would want some cash from you to cover the expenses. Have most of you had a look at radio fail procedures at these places? I imagine they still have them although a mobile could serve a useful purpose if you were on the ball. Nev

Nev not sure on Sydney but Brisbane is $300 or thereabouts depending on the time so not to bad considering what actually stops you going there is the holding that you inevitably get.

 

Aldo

 

 

[Ada Elle]

And having/holding both UK PPLM and OZ RAA and having undertaken training for both in the respective countries there is from my own knowledge fundamentally no difference in the training and airmanship between the countries so fail to see the logical reason for the OZ airspace issues.

Does the UK PPL(M) not require a higher medical standard than the RAAus standard?

 

(also, I thought the word inevitable would be taken as the joke that it was, given that the stats suggest that fewer than 50% of engines will fail before overhaul.)

 

 

[kasper]

Does the UK PPL(M) not require a higher medical standard than the RAAus standard?(also, I thought the word inevitable would be taken as the joke that it was, given that the stats suggest that fewer than 50% of engines will fail before overhaul.)

Nope. The GP supported medical is a declaration by pilot supported by GP that the person meets the requirements to hold a specified type of driving licence.

 

 

[farri]

How about those who want a higher standard of medical than what is currently required by RA-Aus, simply go and have it done! The facilities are there!!!

 

Leave the motor vehicle drivers licence requirement alone!

 

Frank.

 

 

[facthunter]

RAAus instructors do a class 2 (PPL ) Normally.

 

The private drivers licence standard varies from state to state, or did last time I checked. If you have problems or are over a certain age your GP will have to sign it every time Perhaps the new RAAus wording doesn't reflect this but I don't know how you can have half a standard and still claim it's a Driver's Licence .standard If at any time your medical condition doesn't meet the required standard you shouldn't exercise the "privileges" of your licence. You are supposed to notify CASA in the case of a class 1 or 2 and to notify when resuming also and I presume with supporting medical statement from appropriate doctor/specialist,LAME? Nev

 

 

[Litespeed]

I know here in the convict state (NSW) that they take the whole medical pretty serious for a drivers licence. I know some will say its a joke but experience tells me otherwise.

 

If you call a ambulance and are in a car at the time (as driver or suspected driver) then your licence is immediately tagged as non current due to medical issues and it is a big deal getting it back. It could be for any reason that is not accident related and you are off the road. And must pay to see a specialist as provided by the government. It costs a lot and takes a long time, pretty much the same as seeing a DAME.

 

This has happened to a friend for his diabetes and also for a mild heart attack. But could also be for chest pain from heart burn, food poisoning or any thing else.

 

 

[facthunter]

It's hard to object to it being done thoroughly, and people shouldn't hold back from having a check if you think something is wrong. The trouble is once you do that NO RPL mate. People who are monitored and treated are safer than those who pretend they are in perfect shape and just get a bit if indigestion and dizziness occasionally after they stand up quickly. And it's not just OLD people either. Many American dead from Vietnam were given post mortems and showed significant cardiac problems at less than 20 years of age. Nev

 

 

[Ada Elle]

Nope. The GP supported medical is a declaration by pilot supported by GP that the person meets the requirements to hold a specified type of driving licence.

Supported by the GP is a higher standard, as is the need to meet a DVLA Commercial standard to carry passengers.

 

The RAAus medical standard is 'I think I am safe to drive a car, so I'll sign this'.

 

 

[Ada Elle]

Nev not sure on Sydney but Brisbane is $300 or thereabouts depending on the time so not to bad considering what actually stops you going there is the holding that you inevitably get.

Canberra's a fair bit less than that (I think about $50 was what I budgeted for on my aborted navex there).

 

 

[DrZoos]

The difficulty in getting cleared after any issue no matter how minor is the problem.

 

When you have very experienced GA instructors telling people not to tell casa and airline pilots that get treated oversease because the cost of testing and treatment is cheaper than dealing with CASA you hve a safety problem.

 

 

[frank marriott]

It is difficult to understand the push by some individuals for more expense and higher level of required medicals for no practical purpose. Like the push by some resulting in the Jabiru fiasco resulting a NO benefits for anyone but a lot of inconvenience and expense for others.

 

Self-centred fools would be one description that comes to mind.

 

 

[kasper]

Supported by the GP is a higher standard, as is the need to meet a DVLA Commercial standard to carry passengers.The RAAus medical standard is 'I think I am safe to drive a car, so I'll sign this'.

Effectively you are no different in UK/OZ on medical levels but OZ does have a lower documentary level for some pilots

Our Ops manual in 2.16 brings in a requirement for doctor support for all certificate holders with

 

(i) Epilepsy

 

(ii) Diabetes (Type 1 or 2)

 

(iii) A heart condition / disease or paralysis

 

(iv) Mental illness (medicated or otherwise); or

 

(v) Becoming 75 years of age or older;

 

then the person must provide RA-Aus with a statement from their doctor (GP) of meeting the health standard

 

And these are the functional differences between DVLA Commercial and Australian standard driving licence.

 

 

[Ada Elle]

And these are the functional differences between DVLA Commercial and Australian standard driving licence.

between UK commercial and Australian private? I've only briefly compared UK private to UK commercial, and Aus private to Aus commercial.

 

the standards are lower - less time off after a major acute event, lower functional requirements, etc.

 

for example, a month off after a stroke, vs a year off.

 

(and no requirement for a GP statement after a stroke).

 

 

[Litespeed]

If it is correct that we only need a month off after a stroke and no requirement of a medical sign off, I would be astounded.

 

If so this needs to change but that can still be done in the current system of drivers licence medical. That would be a glaring ommision also in the drivers system not just flying.

 

 

[facthunter]

If nothing is done a stroke usually heralds another stroke often soon after. I understood the RAAus requires anyone over 75? or who has had a major event Cardiac etc requires a medical clearance each time. from then on. This may need a supporting statement from a specialist. State laws are not the same for each state, anyhow. Nev

 

 

[DrZoos]

I cant remember If I had a mini stroke or not. So do i need to report that?

 

According to my Mrs ,

 

I have no memory, i dont listen and I dont think, and im deaf .. but she could be biased..

 

 

[Ada Elle]

If it is correct that we only need a month off after a stroke and no requirement of a medical sign off, I would be astounded. If so this needs to change but that can still be done in the current system of drivers licence medical. That would be a glaring ommision also in the drivers system not just flying.

http://www.austroads.com.au/drivers-vehicles/assessing-fitness-to-drive/for-health-professionals

 

A person should not drive for at least four weeks following a stroke.

The UK standard for microlights and NPPL (which always must be signed off by a GP) is:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/457961/aagv1.pdf

 

Licence refused or revoked for 1 year following a stroke or TIA, Can be considered for licensing after this period provided that there is no debarring residual impairment likely to affect safe driving and there are no other significant risk factors. Licensing may be subject to satisfactory medical report including exercise ECG testing

[nong]

Anyway..... Lets

 

Leave 600kg and 45 knots alone, because it is a pretty good thing.

 

Allow 1500kg and 55kts as a HEAVY AIRCRAFT endorsement.

 

Retain L1 owner maintenance for all weights.

 

Retain self certified medical for all weights.

 

This would qualify as a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT.

 

 

[M61A1]

Is the argument, essentially, that you want access to GA planes without having to go through GA training or have a GA medical?My argument was that the same plane, with higher MTOW, is not safer; it is in fact potentially less safe. A 350kg plane with 550kg MTOW is less likely to have a stall/spin incident than the same plane loaded to a 750kg MTOW.

 

In what proportion of fuel exhaustion emergencies would a larger fuel load (and the same fuel management strategy) have prevented the accident?

Actually what it means is that I can design and build stuff without exotic materials, use automotive engines, and build in crash worthiness and durability. If I'm not carting passengers around, or flying over populated areas or CTA, why does it's weight matter? (within reason).

 

 

[Ada Elle]

Actually what it means is that I can design and build stuff without exotic materials, use automotive engines, and build in crash worthiness and durability. If I'm not carting passengers around, or flying over populated areas or CTA, why does it's weight matter? (within reason).

Fair point, but weight influences terminal kinetic energy in a loss of control situation, as well as making it potentially more difficult to build an airworthy (as opposed to crashworthy) aircraft, because materials strength doesn't scale in the same way as volume or wing area. (a long wing needs more engineering than a short wing, for example. we can build model planes out of foam or balsa and dope, but it's much harder with full size planes.)

 

if you want to go back to <400ft and not crossing a property boundary...

 

(is 550kg a problematic limit for single seaters?)

 

 

[facthunter]

Empty (basic) weight to AUW ratio is surprisingly constant over a large rang of aircraft weight and designs. Exotic materials give the biggest jump in performance in that regard but cost to produce and repair are high. Nev