Silly aviation pictures.

[facthunter]

That stuff is Historical .The Pictures are in the "silly pictures" section. The comment on the  A 300 is WRONG. Planes like a DC 4 used the curvature of the earth. I recall making 2,500" at  Katherine out of Darwin on a hot day Appox 72,000  lbs  TOW and about 4,000 SHP available  from 4 engines.. Plenty of times  from 65 to 69 staggering across the Owen Stanleys" POM - LAE and return where the Loss of ANY motor would have needed some pretty quick action. ALL  approved by the DCA, the CASA of the time. Nev

[Underwood]

33 minutes ago, facthunter said:

That stuff is Historical .The Pictures are in the "silly pictures" section. The comment on the  A 300 is WRONG. Planes like a DC 4 used the curvature of the earth. I recall making 2,500" at  Katherine out of Darwin on a hot day Appox 72,000  lbs  TOW and about 4,000 SHP available  from 4 engines.. Plenty of times  from 65 to 69 staggering across the Owen Stanleys" POM - LAE and return where the Loss of ANY motor would have needed some pretty quick action. ALL  approved by the DCA, the CASA of the time. Nev

The picture is an obvious joke, mainly at the expense of the Cherokee, its not supposed to be an accurate performance chart

[facthunter]

I'm referring to the comment. Too many WRONG statements are Not good for the Site. Many start off with I READ SOMEWHERE. .  That should ring alarm bells by itself. PS I like a joke as well as the next man but WRONG statements get to me. Especially about PLANES. There's enough $#!t out there already without adding to it.  Nev

[Underwood]

Sorry, what comment?

 

[BrendAn]

On 31/03/2017 at 9:28 AM, Cobalt said:

I don't understand how someone qualified to fly a sky writing plane never learnt how to land. 🤔

[Marty_d]

24 minutes ago, BrendAn said:

I don't understand how someone qualified to fly a sky writing plane never learnt how to land. 🤔

I want to know how he expected to get the answer.

[BrendAn]

1 minute ago, Marty_d said:

I want to know how he expected to get the answer.

Good point 🤣

[facthunter]

You'd have to get up early to be ahead of Marty. Most planes end up at the bottom of the sky one way or another. . Take off is Optional. Nev

[John Werner]

Ansett DC-3 ferrying bulmakaus from Madang to Aiome to provide protein for the diet of the "dwarf tribe" people of Aiome.  I was used to locals carrying chickens on board aircraft but this is a bit much especially with pek-pek bilong bulmakau in the aisle.

[IBob]

I seem to recall they used to haul cattle around in old cargo Connies in S America..............

[John Werner]

 

[John Werner]

20 hours ago, IBob said:

I seem to recall they used to haul cattle around in old cargo Connies in S America..............

I can see using cargo Lockheed Constellations or the Convair Metropolitan 440 with tricycle undercarriage for cattle transport as you say because the cattle would have a horizontal surface to walk on inside the fuselage.  With a tail-dragger like the DC-3 (and I have many times walked up the aisle of this type of aircraft) it is a rather steep incline for cattle to negotiate surely.  I recall one Ansett DC-3 pilot on the Rabaul - Aropa (Kieta, Bougainville Island) leg used to come on board with dark glasses on and a walking stick in hand while rolling ball bearings down the steep incline of the aisle, presumably to provide some sense of comfort to the PAX.

[T510]

I live on steep land, steep enough that a car can slide down the hill with the handbrake on and most 4wd's will not make it to the top of the back paddock if it is wet.

 

My cows on the other hand have no problem with it

[John Werner]

25 minutes ago, T510 said:

I live on steep land, steep enough that a car can slide down the hill with the handbrake on and most 4wd's will not make it to the top of the back paddock if it is wet.

 

My cows on the other hand have no problem with it

Sorry, I forgot about the practice called transhumance in alpine areas.  We know that cows would rather stand facing uphill than downhill because in that position the weight of the digestive system pushes towards the tail, away from the lungs, and makes breathing easier.  I was just concerned about when the cattle were disembarking from the aircraft as depicted in the photos, not when they were boarding with their boarding passes in their mouths.

[pmccarthy]

My father in law arranged to fly the first cattle into PNG. They landed at Port Moresby from Queensland in a Bristol Freighter. 

[John Werner]

7 minutes ago, pmccarthy said:

My father in law arranged to fly the first cattle into PNG. They landed at Port Moresby from Queensland in a Bristol Freighter. 

Thanks for that info.  The Bristol Freighter, unlike the Douglas DC-3, was a purpose-built heavy freight aircraft with rectangular shaped fuselage with an obstruction-free interior with parallel sides and upper and lower decks, with clam shell doors at the forward end to facilitate ease of loading large items of cargo so I can see that it was an ideal aircraft for the air transport of cattle.  The first civilian Bristol Freighter in Australia was a Mark 1A "Demonstrator", demonstrated to QANTAS in New Guinea in 1947 and written off when the aircraft rolled backward down the 10% sloping Wau airstrip. A second aircraft, a Mark 21 "Demonstrator" was leased to and later purchased by Australian National Airways (ANA) in 1948, registered VH-INV and in 1949 became the first aircraft to land suffering mechanical problems, at the still under construction Moorabbin airport. This aircraft plus two others operated domestic services mainly between Melbourne and the Tasmanian Islands, and were also involved in the development of the Air Beef Scheme in the Kimberly district of Western Australia.  Bristol Freighters played a major role in the development of air freight in Australia generally, and in addition to ANA were operated by Trans Australia Airlines (TAA), International Parcel Express Company (IPEC) and Air Express.  I recall flying in the one operated by IPEC with its then chairman, Gordon Barton, in Tasmania where Federal Hotels,  which Gordon also owned, had the Wrest Point Casino in Hobart and the Country Club Casino in Launceston as well as the Windsor Hotel in Melbourne and the Broadbeach Hotel on the Gold Coast.  Under a twelve month charter contract to IPEC commencing in June 1966 this aircraft VH-ADL operated south bound flights with goods from Melbourne.  From March 1967, VH-ADL went on to operate charter contracts for freight forwarders in Queensland, some itinerant operations between Brisbane and New Guinea carrying motor vehicles and sometimes cattle, Queensland flood relief as and when required, and general charter freight operations until May 1975, when the company moved its operations to Melbourne. Services to the Tasmanian Islands were commenced, and continued until VH-ADL conducted the last Bristol Freighter flight in Australia from King Island to Essendon on August 17 1979. After many changes of ownership and activities it finished up at Air World, Wangaratta Victoria.

Sorry to be so long winded but I just wanted to set this down because it is relevant to your post and I do love aviation history, particularly if it involves PNG.  John W.

P.S.   A late mate of mine, a distinguished mining engineer and mining consultant from Sydney, was involved in the construction of a gold recovery plant on the Wau-Bulolo goldfield in New Guinea in about 1936.  The sections of this gravity plant were flown into Wau airfield in a Stinson SR-7B Reliant aircraft and assembled there by my old mate, CWM.

[red750]

There is, or was, a Mk 21 Bristol Freighter, A81-1, at RAAF Museum, Point Cook, when I took this photograph on 28 Jan, 2007.

 

[Flightrite]

Mid 70’s @ YMEN, ah the good old days👍