shafs64 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I am looking at getting back up to speed. as i have had a year off and notice that one local school has put up their prices by forty an hour. we are starting to push up into the GA area now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 lack of spare money floating around in society not many students with $ 50 notes falling out of their back pockets in some ways its better to have a flight school operating at say a high $ 300 per hour than have NO flight schools operating at a low $ 150 per hour ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingVizsla Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Depends where they are .... Commercial rents, insurance, wages, have all gone up. Add to that cross-hire, L2 costs, aircraft maintenance (parts), landing fees, owners / Club / shareholders wanting/needing more dollars for profit, expansion etc. The first ultralight club I was involved with had a volunteer instructor & L2, borrow or BYO plane. Then they got a loan to buy a plane, the instructor wanted paying (only a pittance), the L2 asked too, but settled for an hour free flying for every half hour spent maintaining. Fees went up accordingly. Then they both wanted more, interest rates went up, the Club needed a hangar for the fabric aircraft, more fund raising ... Needed more students, advertised and started getting people from away, L2 & instructor said "we want commercial rates now". Then the drought took a grip, students dried up too, funds accumulated for the new hangar went on site rent, repayments etc until it was all gone and the plane sold. This was 15 years ago. Nothing new. If the market won't bear it, the operation folds. If they don't charge enough to cover day to day plus future & unforeseen (replacement, upgrade, prangs etc) they go bust. Holding off on fee increases gives the impression of a cash grab, gradual small increases seem to be the better strategy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 if the dual cost and solo have gone up it can't be wages growth as there has none of that for a while. And there are no landing fees at this airport. And prices at other schools at the same airport have remained the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSCBD Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I would pay 300 an hour, provided I got a pay rise like the ex CEO of the Australia Post and had the super and benefits of a pollie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 if the dual cost and solo have gone up it can't be wages growth as there has none of that for a while. And there are no landing fees at this airport. And prices at other schools at the same airport have remained the same. Don't know if it helps but if you have been solo and just refreshing perhaps consider doing some of your instructional flights as xc, if you don't yet have cross country endorsement, that way you can swat up on manouvering etc and get some XcC hours polished off at same time. Also good to land at different airfields. There are a couple within 45 minutes of Mackay, Bowen, Nebo, Marian, Palmyra, Lakeside etc. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I am looking at getting back up to speed. as i have had a year off and notice that one local school has put up their prices by forty an hour. we are starting to push up into the GA area now. what are the fees and in what aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Have a look at this thread. So who can beat the dual training costs in Qld RAA $310 hour - Sling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 what are the fees and in what aircraft? don't want to say as i will give away the the school. they do have nice planes but i don't think they are worth that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I am looking at getting back up to speed. as i have had a year off and notice that one local school has put up their prices by forty an hour. we are starting to push up into the GA area now. Have you thought about owning an aircraft? If you do it right, it can be much cheaper than hiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 lack of spare money floating around in societynot many students with $ 50 notes falling out of their back pockets in some ways its better to have a flight school operating at say a high $ 300 per hour than have NO flight schools operating at a low $ 150 per hour ? Strangely enough, I know a flying school who hires their Lightwing out for $150/hr... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 yes but it's still a fews away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 Strangely enough, I know a flying school who hires their Lightwing out for $150/hr... what three hundred dollars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 what three hundred dollars Sorry, I edited, it to $150/hr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 Thats a good price for RA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callahan Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 You can find a lot of replacement stuff online. Example, spark plugs caps advertised at $26+ can be had for $2.41 on Amazon. I bought four. All work just fine! Also LEDs can be used in place of Aviation strobes, also on Amazon. $100 vs $600 plus you get a variety of pulse patterns & LEDs are much brighter. As for legality, I don't know & could care less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farri Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 we are starting to push up into the GA area now. Starting?........Really? Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Page Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Looks like the problem is such a large capital investment in an aircraft, I see on this thread a school hires its Lightwing at $150 per hour. A number of schools have a $150k aircraft..... do your sums as to what the interest and redemption will be. Then do the exercise on a $30k aircraft. To me it would be better with the little war horse instead of the fancy expensive thing. KP 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Looks like the problem is such a large capital investment in an aircraft, I see on this thread a school hires its Lightwing at $150 per hour.A number of schools have a $150k aircraft..... do your sums as to what the interest and redemption will be. Then do the exercise on a $30k aircraft. To me it would be better with the little war horse instead of the fancy expensive thing. KP yes I would say we all love the bling of flash aircraft. I just found out that the aircraft I am just about to start flying is cheaper dual then the aircraft I was flying at the solo rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Page Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 yes I would say we all love the bling of flash aircraft. I just found out that the aircraft I am just about to start flying is cheaper dual then the aircraft I was flying at the solo rate Bling will not get one to a destination.. If one wants learn in a Drifter that will be big battle to find a school which teaches in such an aircraft. One of the big problems these day the inexpensive aircraft are disappearing. Thrusters, Drifters the 2stroke Lightwings these are getting scarce. KP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Page Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 The other one which is getting scarce is a scratch built or from plans at home building. KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callahan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 "Getting scarce! You are 100% correct Keith! I was lucky enough to find a great '87 Drifter for $7,000 in central Florida. Looking at zbarnstormer's since my purchase in early December of '16.....I have found NONE. So if you find one, grab it & don't be picky! Because someone will be breathing down your neck to buy it. Bling will not get one to a destination..If one wants learn in a Drifter that will be big battle to find a school which teaches in such an aircraft. One of the big problems these day the inexpensive aircraft are disappearing. Thrusters, Drifters the 2stroke Lightwings these are getting scarce. KP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Bling will not get one to a destination..If one wants learn in a Drifter that will be big battle to find a school which teaches in such an aircraft. One of the big problems these day the inexpensive aircraft are disappearing. Thrusters, Drifters the 2stroke Lightwings these are getting scarce. KP There was one at Caboolture, and no one flew it so it was sold. There is no point having aircraft that no one wants to fly. Most learners these days seem to want the newer more modern aircraft. People complain about the old ways disappearing and the big rush by RAA into plastic fantastic etc, but I wonder if the tail is wagging the dog here or the other way around. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shafs64 Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 That drifter now has a good home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 That drifter now has a good home. It sure does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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