red750 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Read article here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thruster88 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 From the FlightAware data it looks like the cessna 340 making a straight in approach to runway 20 hit the cessna 152 on final for 20 at about 400-500 feet agl. The 340 was maintaining 190knots in a steady descent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRviator Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Thruster88 said: From the FlightAware data it looks like the cessna 340 making a straight in approach to runway 20 hit the cessna 152 on final for 20 at about 400-500 feet agl. The 340 was maintaining 190knots in a steady descent. 190Kts at 500AGL? Must have bloody good speedbrakes! Or they were going to go missed. Makes me wonder if one of 'em was under the hood then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 Piston engined pressurised twin. I doubt it's got ANY speedbrakes. Cruise at 220 Kts but should be slower in the circuit especially at 500Ft. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JG3 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 I thought straight in approach is required to not conflict with aircraft already established on base or final.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 That is the rule in Australia. This is like something we see on dashcam, neither party will yield. Sad and stupid. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) Doesn't the lower level aircraft have priority? Looks very much to me like the Cessna 340 driver was a regular cowboy, speed way above any stabilised approach, and the mindset he was going to land regardless, and everyone else had to give him priority. The Cessna 152 was banking left and despite acknowledging the Cessna 340 was somewhere behind him, his high wing limited his rear right quarter vision - particularly as the 340 was coming down on top of him. As one comment notes on Kathryns report, a 152 is more than likely to be a student, so more caution required from a supposedly experienced twin-engine pilot. http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/08/cessna-340a-n740wj-fatal-accident.html Edited August 20, 2022 by onetrack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Probably High and HOT ending up just HOT. A stuffed up approach I'd say and just pressed on regardless,. It happens with big stuff too and they can't extend flap because they are too fast. You are supposed to pass on the right. That approach should have been aborted. (as I see it). Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 This has a good graphic of the traffic with the radio calls in real time at about the six minute mark. Not sure if the c152 said I am going around or you go around in the final transmission. I will always maintain having traffic on a screen greatly improves situational awareness and only takes a glance now and then. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Gee, that blokes makes a terrible video, he's a total waffler. He sounds like he's apologising for the bloke in the C340. It's simple, the bloke in the C340 just barrelled his way in, no consideration for any pattern rules, no consideration for anyone else - and going hell-for-leather. It makes you wonder, what would have been the result if he'd missed the C152? A runway overrun at best, or he'd have still crashed? There seems little doubt that he couldn't have continued on final for landing at that speed, he'd had to have done a go-around, anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosi72 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Why is "join upwind" so hard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I feel sorry for the 152 pilot. He could not have anticipated anyone would come in so fast. It would have seemed reasonable to get his touch and go done before the 340 arrived, until the moment he realised too late that something weird was happening. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 The closing speed would be around 130 knots Keep ahead of the aircraft and have a plan. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 Midairs: No, They’re Not Getting Worse Paul Bertorelli August 21, 2022 https://www.avweb.com/insider/midairs-no-theyre-not-getting-worse/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) They are usually fatal though and they should be getting better and they all have a breakdown of good procedures in common and would be by and large preventable IF (....) and that's where we should concentrate our efforts to improve things. Nev Edited August 22, 2022 by facthunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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