frank marriott Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 No worries, you are convinced you are right, let's leave it at that, my AIP ENR 1.5 deals with procedure entry so let's forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZoos Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 There is a lot of misinformation here.... Personally i am waiting for imminent RAAus CTA announcments which will presumably make it far cheaper and easier to fly into CTA with Raa rather then get a RPL When converting from RAA to RPL Apply for ARN apply for RPL to go into CTA you need to do conversion to rpl which includes a checkflight ina GA aircraft with a GA examiner and likely conversion to that aircraft 2 hours basic ifr training in a ga aircraft An english level 4 or 6 test with a qualified examiner A levlel one or two medical with a dame ctA and ctr endorsement with a GA instructor Thats the absolute minimum, no matter what anyone says..believe me, i have spent hours on the phone with CASA, hours in a GA flyng school and have about 20 emails from CASA and RAA confiriming this... At first it seems like a simple task... But it is a very wxpensive and convoluted process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickduncs84 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 If you have a valid RAA certificate and a current RPL with CTA endorsement, you can fly an RAAus 24 reg aircraft into CTA (CAO 95.55 para 7.3.d) provided the altimeter and transponder have been checked within limits in the past 12 months as per the RAAus Tech Manual. Don't quite understand the question about a 100 hr service. Any aircraft must always have a current annual or 100 hr service. Current annual OR 100 hour service. CASA registered aircraft in the private category don't require 100 hourly inspections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZoos Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 A medical will cost about $275 minimum ga conversion will cost at least $1500 The english test is about $100-$200 cTA and CTr is about $500 basic IFr is approx $500 - $700 Plus cost of RPL and ARN You may be able to get this cheaper or dearer depending on profficwncy and location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 No worries, you are convinced you are right, let's leave it at that, my AIP ENR 1.5 deals with procedure entry so let's forget it. My mistake. It should be AIP GEN 1.5 6.2.2 ©. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I got a one off exemption to fly into a class D airport without a transponder...... Now that we are all looking at the same section of the document, I suggest you read it again to check the transponder requirements for Class D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Thanks djpacro. I had to fly through class C to get to the class D airport, hence the exemption. Looking back at the question I was replying to at post #18 it read " i do have transponda fitted and checked but from what i understand you do not need a transponda only a radio... for ctr.." I took that to be a question about controlled airspace in general. Looking back earlier in his post I can see he was initially talking about YPJT and probably only meant class D. My mistake if that's what he meant. I'm always happy to be corrected but it always helps to point out why someone is wrong rather than just to say your wrong. Cheers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdarby Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Does the RPL equate to anything overseas in the way a PPL is international? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickduncs84 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Does the RPL equate to anything overseas in the way a PPL is international? No. But if you can get a medical and have an RPL, you have 99% of a PPL anyway so wouldn't take much to upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Since we are always talking about the RPL, there is a good article by Dr Tony Van Der Spek on Page 12 October -November edition of AOPA. He is an Aviation Medical Examiner. and talks of some of the important issues. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldo Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Personally i am waiting for imminent RAAus CTA announcments which will presumably make it far cheaper and easier to fly into CTA with Raa rather then get a RPL Dr You may be very old by the time this happens and more so now that the RPL is available from RPC (even if it is with a bit of messing around) once you have the RPL you can then fly your RAA registered aircraft in CTA (with the appropriate medical) providing it meets the requirements. Aldo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Lots of misleading ill-informed information being posted here. To answer the question about flying suitable RAA aircraft in "controlled airspace" you need to first establish the type of airspace. Class D, does not require a transponder, Class C does. A pilot operating the aircraft will be required a valid RPC (RAAus issued certificate) this allows them to pilot the RAAus rego aircraft and a minimum of a valid CASA issued RPL (valid includes a medical - minimum RAMPC and flight review) with appropriate airspace endorsements. (ie CTR, class D for class D, CTR class C for class C, CTA to transit Class C). There is no minimum IF hour requirement for an RPL, unless you want to add a cross country endorsement, you just need to meet the RPL standard. This can all be done relatively easily and without costing an arm and a leg. I recently guided one of my students through this process and assisted the GA school with their understanding of the requirements. If a GA school starts talking written exams and multiple hours of IF time to convert your RPC, walk away as they either don't understand the reg's or are trying to con you. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdarby Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm trying to fill the form to apply for the RPL in, and in the section about the flight hours you have there is a * next to cross country hours which refers to a note that you need cross country hours for the navigation endorsement. But there is also a * on the line below it which is about instrument flying. It seems to suggest you need 2 hours instrument time as well to get the navigation endorsement. Is that right or new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Are you GFPT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm trying to fill the form to apply for the RPL in, and in the section about the flight hours you have there is a * next to cross country hours which refers to a note that you need cross country hours for the navigation endorsement. But there is also a * on the line below it which is about instrument flying. It seems to suggest you need 2 hours instrument time as well to get the navigation endorsement. Is that right or new? It is right, and has been a requirement from the start of the RPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm trying to fill the form to apply for the RPL in, and in the section about the flight hours you have there is a * next to cross country hours which refers to a note that you need cross country hours for the navigation endorsement. But there is also a * on the line below it which is about instrument flying. It seems to suggest you need 2 hours instrument time as well to get the navigation endorsement. Is that right or new? That's correct, without the Nav endorsement you simply need to be competent in basic IF but you will need 2hours plus competency for the Nav. What are your plans for the RPL? If it's to allow you to operate an RAAus aircraft from CTR, you don't need the Nav, just CTR which you can do as part of prep for the flight review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdarby Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 No I'm RAaus Pilot Certificate. So no instrument time. I must have misunderstood the other posts on this where Pilot Certificate holders seem to have got it simply by filling in a form (and a few other forms and medical) and all the endorsements were transferred over. The RPL isn't much good to me if I can't transfer over the nav endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdarby Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 My end goal is a flying tour overseas (USA and The Bahamas). So I need a PPL. The only reason for the RPL was to have something to bridge the journey from Pilot Certificate. If I could have got an equivalent and then trained to fly a C172 I could get going, but in reality I need to do all the other PPL hours anyway so it might not be worth the effort. The only real advantage seems to be I skip one exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 You can still get the rpl without the nav endo so you can fly a circle within 25nm of the aerodrome, good way to build up hours etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 No I'm RAaus Pilot Certificate. So no instrument time. I must have misunderstood the other posts on this where Pilot Certificate holders seem to have got it simply by filling in a form (and a few other forms and medical) and all the endorsements were transferred over. The RPL isn't much good to me if I can't transfer over the nav endorsement. Subject to a few items (security check, photo and medical - which you'll need for your PPL) you can send away a form and have an RPL turn up in the mail. You must then satisfactorily complete flight training to become competent in the GA type you choose to fly and complete a flight review. There's no reason why you can't do a bit of local flying while you gain the required IF time to have the Nav endorsement transferred. This will let you fly and spread the cost out over a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhysmcc Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 If the aim is to get a PPL why not get the RPL and forget about the Nav endorsement since the PPL will include that anyway (i.e. Do your navs with an instructor as part of your PPL training). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraFlash Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 The form for the RPL asks for the 2 hours Instrument Flight when you apply for the transfer, if you don't do this at the time you'll have to do the RPL Nav Endo with a GA school, including the IF time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdarby Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Thanks guys. I have got the forms and found a local DAME. I will get the RPL just so I can practice solo at least while I do lessons for the PPL (after I learn to fly a Cessna). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Is it possible to do the two hours IF prior to applying for the RPL if you only hold an RPC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Yes, you can do the IF training before applying for the RPL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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