bexrbetter Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Strong suggestion it was shot down by a witness. F-15Cs Intercept Stolen DASH-8 Airliner out of Seattle Tacoma Airport Before Crash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 What the hell was he thinking? Amazing that he managed to get a twin like the dash-8 into the air in the first place, much less barrel-roll the damn thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdseye Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Probably practiced the start up on one of the flight sim programs. We all know that once turning and burning its all a piece of piss :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsam Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Any hope that ASIC card requirements will be relaxed for recreational pilots in Australia is probably gone now, thanks to this episode. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 If it happened in Australia that guy would have had an ASIC card. Shows how useless a card the anyone can get is. If anything it shows ASIC for what it is. 1 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalass Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 It was in the US. He was ground staff for the airline, though I don't know if he was an engineer or not. But he definitely knew how to start the q400. From the audio he knew what the consequences would be, and decided to crash rather than be arrested or shot down. And from the audio he was completely done with life, so it was suicide. I feel for the guy and his family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsam Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 If it happened in Australia that guy would have had an ASIC card. Shows how useless a card the anyone can get is. If anything it shows ASIC for what it is. True, I didn’t say it made any sense, but the political knee-jerk will happen regardless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISA Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 So sad really, he managed to hide an obvious severe mental health issue. Flying the plane was the easy part, going thru with it would had been a huge challenge! RIP, nobody wins here 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdseye Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 True, I didn’t say it made any sense, but the political knee-jerk will happen regardless. The media knee-jerk is at full swing, stuff like 'how could somebody steal a plane after 9/11' . It could just as easily have been one of their pilots with a severe depressive event. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Can't see that 9/11 has anything to do with it except it's a plane involved. The 9/11 people had planned for a deliberate assault on the USA which was successful beyond their expectations. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISA Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Can't see that 9/11 has anything to do with it except it's a plane involved. The 9/11 people had planned for a deliberate assault on the USA which was successful beyond their expectations. Nev Personally I can see a very large association to 9/11 from the gen publics POV especially when you take into account a fighter jet was involved. At the time few knew it was a disturbed employee, could have been very different, so yes to me it's very relevant & would have been more so had he been in the air for longer over a built up area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 There's no similarity of intent. . How the general public view it is their concern. They believe what the hystericals and sensation peddlers tell them. Single engine fighters flying over built up areas are a risk all the time, as they are instructed to eject if the thing malfunctions. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdseye Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 There's no similarity of intent. . How the general public view it is their concern. They believe what the hystericals and sensation peddlers tell them. Single engine fighters flying over built up areas are a risk all the time, as they are instructed to eject if the thing malfunctions. Nev Bind Freddy knows that; but when do the media allow facts to mar a sensationalist story. Next they will be blaming the flight sim programmers for showing the startup sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 There's no similarity of intent. . How the general public view it is their concern. They believe what the hystericals and sensation peddlers tell them. Single engine fighters flying over built up areas are a risk all the time, as they are instructed to eject if the thing malfunctions. Nev There's 100% similarity about access to an aircraft though; the locals had probably been blasting the government about stupid USIC (or whatever) cards, and the stupidity of having to padlock and aircraft, and the costs, and how it was easy to get around anyway.........and someone just walked in and flew one away. Not just a little Cessna mind you, but a half serious aircraft that could do a lot of damage in a shopping centre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Proximity keys work at ski lifts, two pilots with today's coded key at the cockpit door problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 The media knee-jerk is at full swing, stuff like 'how could somebody steal a plane after 9/11' . It could just as easily have been one of their pilots with a severe depressive event. GermanWings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 @biggles Germanwings Flight 9525 - Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISA Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 @biggles Germanwings Flight 9525 - Wikipedia That was a terrifying time for those poor souls onboard. The two in the cockpit rule was a knee jerk reaction at the time, it's now slowly being unadapted due common sense! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan3111 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Maybe the last pilot left the keys in it :) it one of those things no matter want rule you bring in you will never stop it ,people even steal arm tanks, boats,cars ,trucks ,wheel chairs for a joy ride you see it on the news at south Brisbane . At the end of the day someone has to have access to it so how do you brain scan them to do the right thing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Maybe the last pilot left the keys in it :) it one of those things no matter want rule you bring in you will never stop it ,people even steal arm tanks, boats,cars ,trucks ,wheel chairs for a joy ride you see it on the news at south Brisbane . At the end of the day someone has to have access to it so how do you brain scan them to do the right thing . Based on Australia's gun laws, you can look forward to a short amnesty to bring in all aircraft for crushing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Based on Australia's gun laws, you can look forward to a short amnesty to bring in all aircraft for crushing. The gun laws worked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 The gun laws worked.[/Quote]Only insofar as removing most military assault rifles; the murder rate is pretty much on a very slight decline, with the method changing to knives, and worse still, bludgeoning. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Multiple murders are usually family murder-suicides, due to custody disputes or financial difficulties. Since removal of the above types of weapons, there have been virtually no mass murders such as Port Arthur or the regular US mass shootings. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Only insofar as removing most military assault rifles; the murder rate is pretty much on a very slight decline, with the method changing to knives, and worse still, bludgeoning. Try going and stabbing or bludgeoning 35 people to death. It's the only good thing Little Johnny ever did. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Try going and stabbing or bludgeoning 35 people to death.It's the only good thing Little Johnny ever did. It was an assault rifle that was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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