Reynard Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Big debt and looking for a buyer Icon Aircraft files for bankruptcy, seeks buyer - AOPA.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Is that the plane some famous baseball player crashed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 26 minutes ago, danny_galaga said: Is that the plane some famous baseball player crashed? Yes, it is an over priced car that anyone can fly. The high price may be the cause of the company's difficulties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Not holding any breathes... off to graveyard of great big ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 A loss of $831,000 per aircraft produced. Dont think that is sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 hours ago, Thruster88 said: A loss of $831,000 per aircraft produced. Dont think that is sustainable. That business model works with games consoles because you make your money selling software. Suspect it doesn't work so well in this scenario 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Hold on, $400k plus for a Rotax 912 powered amphibian and they're making a loss of $830k per aircraft? How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 22 minutes ago, Marty_d said: Hold on, $400k plus for a Rotax 912 powered amphibian and they're making a loss of $830k per aircraft? How does that work? Creative accounting🙃 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Marty_d said: Hold on, $400k plus for a Rotax 912 powered amphibian and they're making a loss of $830k per aircraft? How does that work? How to make a small fortune in aviation... start with a huge fortune my son 🧐 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Marty_d said: Hold on, $400k plus for a Rotax 912 powered amphibian and they're making a loss of $830k per aircraft? How does that work? Simple, it costs them $1230000 to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 8 hours ago, danny_galaga said: Simple, it costs them $1230000 to make. I can do the math, but the bit about HOW it costs 1.23m to build is beyond me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, Marty_d said: I can do the math, but the bit about HOW it costs 1.23m to build is beyond me. Maybe they've adopted the automotive (or Boeing 😄) model- send it out with design faults, and then endlessly keep paying to modify/fix the problems 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 I saw the prototype in 2014. It seemed like vapourware but they actually made it work. A shame it isn’t viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Production cost for each aircraft on accounting ledger is probably $1234567 🤷🏼♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallarts Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 The only surprise to me is that they have lasted this long. Beats me how they make ANY sales at the prices I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I note that the latest issue of Australian Sport Pilot has an article entitled "Flying the Icon A5" 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 https://fb.watch/rBAP47Vn9O/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingVizsla Posted Saturday at 12:24 AM Share Posted Saturday at 12:24 AM On 20/04/2024 at 11:39 PM, danny_galaga said: I note that the latest issue of Australian Sport Pilot has an article entitled "Flying the Icon A5" 😄 After wasting 8 pages on it and a trip to Florida USA, the final word is "The A5 ... not currently registerable in Australia" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted Saturday at 12:32 AM Share Posted Saturday at 12:32 AM 5 minutes ago, FlyingVizsla said: After wasting 8 pages on it and a trip to Florida USA, the final word is "The A5 ... not currently registerable in Australia" It is just one of the fillers of pages from previously published sources. Lucky it’s kinder free. Part of membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted Saturday at 06:28 AM Share Posted Saturday at 06:28 AM There is also an article about a flying estate. You know, where you have your house backed onto an airfield.both those articles smelt of paid advertising, but normally a reputable magazine would say that. Sure enough, the website for the estate is down. I wonder if the magazine mostly gets paid advertising from people about to go broke 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted Saturday at 07:33 AM Share Posted Saturday at 07:33 AM 58 minutes ago, danny_galaga said: There is also an article about a flying estate. You know, where you have your house backed onto an airfield.both those articles smelt of paid advertising, but normally a reputable magazine would say that. Sure enough, the website for the estate is down. I wonder if the magazine mostly gets paid advertising from people about to go broke 🤔 Most of these industry specific publications are paid stories.... purchase advertising, receive editorial story; buy bigger advertising, get bigger editorial... pay enough advertising, get back cover, inside back cover, or inside front cover placement.... generally paid for 12-6 months in advance under contract... Go to a newsagent, open any magazine, same MO for all periodical publications. 🤷🏾♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted Saturday at 02:28 PM Share Posted Saturday at 02:28 PM 6 hours ago, Area-51 said: Most of these industry specific publications are paid stories.... purchase advertising, receive editorial story; buy bigger advertising, get bigger editorial... pay enough advertising, get back cover, inside back cover, or inside front cover placement.... generally paid for 12-6 months in advance under contract... Go to a newsagent, open any magazine, same MO for all periodical publications. 🤷🏾♂️ Sure, but normally (and I assumed legally) it will say 'paid advertisement ' at the top or bottom of the page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotorwork Posted Saturday at 04:58 PM Share Posted Saturday at 04:58 PM (edited) The first Icon A5 in Australia is apparently set for imminent delivery Owner is asking for shareholders. Nothing comes up in rego search for VH-ICN I have a ramp to the river and a shed designed to fit a B206 and an A5, looks like the A5 space will be empty for the current future. https://www.planesales.com.au/details/Listing/Amphibian-and-Floatplanes/10206/2023-Icon-A5-Certified-Edition-Shared-Ownership?utm_source=ListingID-10206&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=2023 Icon A5 Certified Edition Shared Ownership Edited Saturday at 05:09 PM by Rotorwork More information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted Saturday at 11:30 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:30 PM 8 hours ago, danny_galaga said: Sure, but normally (and I assumed legally) it will say 'paid advertisement ' at the top or bottom of the page If the content and copy writing is provided wholly by vendor it will say "paid...."; if copy writing is provided by journalist commissioned by publication then it will not. The publication runs a "story" on the product with the word count proportionally reflecting the advert size and position. If the advert itself is a vendor provided story then "paid..." must be displayed and border added... if you flick through a news paper and see a story with a border around it then its been paid for placement and charged out as advertising, "intentionally politicised propaganda". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted yesterday at 01:24 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:24 AM 1 hour ago, Area-51 said: If the content and copy writing is provided wholly by vendor it will say "paid...."; if copy writing is provided by journalist commissioned by publication then it will not. The publication runs a "story" on the product with the word count proportionally reflecting the advert size and position. If the advert itself is a vendor provided story then "paid..." must be displayed and border added... if you flick through a news paper and see a story with a border around it then its been paid for placement and charged out as advertising, "intentionally politicised propaganda". Fully understand all that. If I read 'The Economist' for instance there is no doubt. What I'm saying is it looks suspiciously LIKE paid advertising. Especially the estate story. It reads like it was lifted straight out of their sales brochure. I feel there are some grey areas being exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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