Roscoe Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Factory built RAA aircraft enter controlled airspace legally all the time without any exemption. And have a look at Bankstown and Camden. Lots of RAA Aircraft going in and out daily. Just call inbound at the designated reporting points and away you go. No Plan required and never has been. RAA require Aircraft fitted with Radio and Transponder, and Pilot qualified with CASA Licence and Medical. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 There is an exemption at some FTS to allow solo students to go in and out of Class D Airports provided the CFI authorises. The Student must use the FTS Aircraft though and remain within a certain distance of the departure airport. No departing Camden and landing Bankstown in this case. Note to any CFIs reading this........have i got this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walrus Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Everybody seems know someone who flies into controlled airspace, but then the qualifications appear. PPL and medical, factory built, with exemption granted to flying school.... It seems to me that Amateur built and RAA certificates aren’t allowed in let alone allowed to land at a towered airport. I can’t find any loophole. To me it’s silly, especially if you have a PPL with an expired medical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Everybody seems know someone who flies into controlled airspace, but then the qualifications appear. PPL and medical, factory built, with exemption granted to flying school.... It seems to me that Amateur built and RAA certificates aren’t allowed in let alone allowed to land at a towered airport. I can’t find any loophole. To me it’s silly, especially if you have a PPL with an expired medical. What are the tower times, can have a bearing on access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Everybody seems know someone who flies into controlled airspace, but then the qualifications appear. PPL and medical, factory built, with exemption granted to flying school.... It seems to me that Amateur built and RAA certificates aren’t allowed in let alone allowed to land at a towered airport. I can’t find any loophole. To me it’s silly, especially if you have a PPL with an expired medical. RAA Cert holder by itself is not allowed. Must have the other stuff i mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 What I'd suggest is people stop posting things they do and refer the people who are just starting out to the relevant regulations. These regulations are not difficult to understand and quite straightforward. To a degree Airservices have to take some of the blame for any confusion by existing pilots by just allowing Rafferty's rules. One day it could get someone in deep trouble if there's an accident due to a PIC not understanding his obligations and being in the wrong spot at the wrong time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Sometimes, where there's a will, there's a way.... I flew into Broome for a couple of days during my Kimberley tour in June. No RPL/PPL....cta endorsement. I flew in and out before the tower opened at 8.00am local. (So effectively under CTAF regs) I filled out the application on the Broome website, telephoned and spoke to the tower and airport safety officer. They provided a great deal of friendly and helpful information to ensure I arrived and parked safely. I was advised when to make my first inbound calls, what runway was likely to be active and the best point to join circuit as well as possible aircraft departing and arriving at my time of arrival, 7.30am... On final, the airport officer radioed to confirm that I knew which taxi way to depart runway and offered to escort me. It was the first time I'd done anything like this but it was a good learning experience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Sometimes, where there's a will, there's a way.... I flew into Broome for a couple of days during my Kimberley tour in June. No RPL/PPL....cta endorsement. I flew in and out before the tower opened at 8.00am local. (So effectively under CTAF regs) I filled out the application on the Broome website, telephoned and spoke to the tower and airport safety officer. They provided a great deal of friendly and helpful information to ensure I arrived and parked safely. I was advised when to make my first inbound calls, what runway was likely to be active and the best point to join circuit as well as possible aircraft departing and arriving at my time of arrival, 7.30am... On final, the airport officer radioed to confirm that I knew which taxi way to depart runway and offered to escort me. It was the first time I'd done anything like this but it was a good learning experience. Yes those Class D Airports become CTAF when the Tower closes so you can operate as if OCTA then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Coffs & Tamworth are Class G before/after Tower hours and now all weekend as the Tower is only 5 days a week. RAA Pilot Cert & Amateur built legal until the stroke of the clock. All this does is demonstrate the absurdity of the rules. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walrus Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 "Coffs & Tamworth are Class G before/after Tower hours and now all weekend as the Tower is only 5 days a week. RAA Pilot Cert & Amateur built legal until the stroke of the clock. All this does is demonstrate the absurdity of the rules." ...It prevents headlines like "Amateur pilot in homebuilt aircraft runs into Qantas B737". I suspect that's what its really about - Government liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 There are still plenty of RPT flights after Tower hours so nothing changes but the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 It would be a VERY FAST home built plane to catch up with a jumbo !. Unless it was stationary ( hogging the runway ). spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironpot Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 "I fly to be free. Not contained and locked in ......." You sound like a panty liner! I now work on the principle that I want RSCU ?00 to be scrambled and its on my way to my position within 15 minutes of my Mayday. You need to consider SAR. With the advent of EFBs its easy - a flighplan gets submitted every time even if I am flying a scenic and Im not exactly sure of the route. I couldn't care less who can see where I'm going - I don't carry many VIPs! It saves ATC sending "VFR aircraft, intentions unknown" too. Low Jet Routes and even QANTAS flying "low level flybys" - could seriously disrupt your day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironpot Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Yes those Class D Airports become CTAF when the Tower closes so you can operate as if OCTA then. Some Class D becomes Class E after TWR HR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Low Jet Routes and even QANTAS flying "low level flybys" - could seriously disrupt your day. My answer has nothing to do with my visibility to ATC. I am not hiding. My RAA aircraft has a mode S transponder and adsb-out so I'm more visible than 90% of recreational aircraft. I also use ozrunways traffic with adsb-in....... I have a dual station monitoring radio.... I am very keen to be seen, and to see others..... Many RAA aircraft, Microlights and gyro's fly in the same airspace as GA/RPT aircraft with no transponder, FLIGHT PLAN or even radio at times with very very few incidences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosi72 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 If asking instructor/flight school is not an option, you can check any aerodrome in Ersa, there is a phone number, give them a call, explain your situation and see what they suggest. Unfortunately, my first experience when calling an aerodrome with special procedures, asking for overfly, made me regret for calling them at first place. Long story short, they've apologised for their behaviour and wished me safe (over)flight. Stay professional, they are public servants here to help you/us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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