bell47 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I recently flew with my dad to Narromine Ausfly, I flew a brumby low wing (very nice plane to fly btw) on arrival I contacted ground and stated where I would like to park and they directed to me to the appropriate area. Once I shut down I opened the canopy and had noticed a guy walking over to the plane in a yellow vest, I initially thought it was going to be a ramp check, turns out he wanted to do a breath test. But he walked over to the right side of the plane where my dad was sitting and wanted to breath test him, I found this quite surprising that someone from casa did not know which side the pilot sat, dad told him he wasn't the pilot and he was quite surprised and came over to breath test me, he also didn't realise that I was a minor and he then had ask my dad for permission for me to provide a breath sample. So I was really surprised on the lack of knowledge from this casa officer 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Its sounds like he was a knob. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bell47 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 Yeah, he was good about it, but just didn't seem to know very much about simple rules such as where the pilot sits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 A trial of Abbott's work for the dole scheme? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rankamateur Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 He might have been used to testing helicopter pilots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Maybe a contract health & safety mob brought in to do it for CASA? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 He could see that you were probably worried about a ramp check and simply wanted to get on the right side of you. Alan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Think CASA contract a lot of that work out. Breath testing a pilot after the flight is a bit useless. Justifying their job in their own eyes. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oksinay Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 It's a bit difficult breath testing a pilot in flight I would guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I wouldn't have thought that was the way to address it . The offense is committed as soon as he does anything to do with airside work, and IF the level of alcohol is such as to affect his ability to fly then he should be prevented from flying, rather than being fined after he has completed the flight successfully. Anyone who has a plane on the airport and consumes alcohol could be pinged as you are available to fly your plane. All a bit stupid if you ask me, but then I haven't been asked.. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 It's a bit difficult breath testing a pilot in flight I would guess... Not unless he was a helicopter pilot "Just hover to the side of that cloud, sir. You've been stopped for the purpose of a random breath test." OME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Trouble is we're spread all over the place......If they advertised a special purpose "Fly-in" then they get a great gathering of folk all in the one place <Unless you killed yourself on the way due to being blotto!> Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Aeroflot oh used to be aeroblotto. nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZoos Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Bit unusual, but great they are out there testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAgNeToDrOp Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 So if I'm just down at the aero club having a beer judging everyone else's landings ;) and my plane is in the hangar they could "technically" ping me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Maggy drop. They have applied that logic in the past. If you are wanting the latest go to AOPA. You might have to join but that is the sort of thing they do. Nev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mAgNeToDrOp Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Wow they really want to kill all the fun in aviation don't they... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I thought it was unworkable and somewhat appalling, particularly as the personnel were contracted into do the work. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I sent a request for some information to the CASA DAMP Oversight sectiontoday and I got this automated reply: "Please accept this email as acknowledgement that the CASA DAMP Oversight section has received your email. The DAMP Oversight section is currently experiencing a high level of correspondence, and we will respond to you in due course." Admittedly, September is the month when DAMP organisations have to submit their 6-monthly report, but that is done electronically. I wonder who else is corresponding with them. OME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djpacro Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 So if I'm just down at the aero club having a beer judging everyone else's landings ;) and my plane is in the hangar they could "technically" ping me? Simply state that you are not available for any safety sensitive aviation activity, full stop. I wouldn't even give my name in that situation, no need as a citizen going about private business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 If you have access airside I've been told.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nobody Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 The FAA has an interesting policy on inspections at flyin events.... A. Surveillance Policy. Air shows, fly‑ins, and other gatherings of general aviation aircraft and airmen are opportunities for the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to present a positive image to the aviation community with whom we work and the general public. Many of the aircraft operators attending these aviation events are regular users of our air traffic and flight service facilities, but their contact with Flight Standards personnel may have been rare. Most of the people who fly their airplanes to fly‑in events and air shows are aviation enthusiasts and hobbyists and are not employed in the aviation industry as pilots. 1) The FAA would like this important segment of airspace users to have a very positive image of inspectors and the safety activities inspectors perform. Therefore, the FAA encourages inspectors to establish early contact with sponsors and organizers of aviation events so that informational and FAA Safety Team activities can be planned to serve attendees. 2) Under no circumstances should these gatherings be targeted for a blanket sweep inspection of spectator airmen and aircraft. 3) The scope of surveillance conducted on aviation event performers and their aircraft will be determined by the Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) manager. 4) Inspectors assigned work functions at aviation events should strive to earn the confidence of the attending and participating airmen. This can be accomplished by displaying expert technical knowledge as an aviation safety professional. 5) The guidance in this section does not preclude inspectors from taking appropriate action to resolve situations they observe that require immediate corrective action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I recently flew with my dad to Narromine Ausfly, I flew a brumby low wing (very nice plane to fly btw) on arrival I contacted ground and stated where I would like to park and they directed to me to the appropriate area. Once I shut down I opened the canopy and had noticed a guy walking over to the plane in a yellow vest, I initially thought it was going to be a ramp check, turns out he wanted to do a breath test. But he walked over to the right side of the plane where my dad was sitting and wanted to breath test him, I found this quite surprising that someone from casa did not know which side the pilot sat, dad told him he wasn't the pilot and he was quite surprised and came over to breath test me, he also didn't realise that I was a minor and he then had ask my dad for permission for me to provide a breath sample. So I was really surprised on the lack of knowledge from this casa officer I can see why he made this mistake .He made some assumptions on seeing a person in the aircraft sitting on the right hand side being at least twice the age of the one on the left hand side. He could have assume that the aircraft is piloted from the right hand ,it is sometimes done. Or he assumed that the person on the right hand was the instructor making him the pilot in command . His assumptions just didn't work out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howard Hughes Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I can see why he made this mistake .He made some assumptions on seeing a person in the aircraft sitting on the right hand side being at least twice the age of the one on the left hand side. He could have assume that the aircraft is piloted from the right hand ,it is sometimes done. Or he assumed that the person on the right hand was the instructor making him the pilot in command . His assumptions just didn't work out for him. Is it a lesser offence if the second in command is found to be under the influence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Its called Revanue Raising ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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