fly_tornado Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-30/raaf-personnel-exposed-to-jet-fuel-suffered-cell-damage/6433360?google_editors_picks=true RAAF jet fuel damaged ground crews' body cells; long-term consequences unknown, says groundbreaking research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 So their cells are "damaged" but long term results are "unknown" ... isn't that a contradiction? Been working around automotive stuff all my life and known many mechanics etc and I have never seen anything out of the ordinary except bad tempers, and I'm not sure if that's one of the alleged side effects of lead or just the industry itself and dealing with all the knuckleheads (serious comment). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 science, bex, is a wonderful thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 science, bex, is a wonderful thing Yeah, nah, "science" means to investigate and most certainly not to announce results before the results are in. The cells have been noted to have had "change", which is the proper categorisation for the moment - might be well on the way to future humans with super strength and higher resistance to cancer for all they know. Certainly needed to reverse the current softness developing in people. Now excuse me, time for my daily teaspoon of cement. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayavner Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 jet fuel toxic?? when did this start happening??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayavner Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Now excuse me, time for my daily teaspoon of cement. You may be doing it wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTNUZZA Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I Yeah, nah, "science" means to investigate and most certainly not to announce results before the results are in.The cells have been noted to have had "change", which is the proper categorisation for the moment - might be well on the way to future humans with super strength and higher resistance to cancer for all they know. Certainly needed to reverse the current softness developing in people. Now excuse me, time for my daily teaspoon of cement. I think you need a cup full in today's current society. Maybe you had the measurements wrong ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-30/raaf-personnel-exposed-to-jet-fuel-suffered-cell-damage/6433360?google_editors_picks=trueRAAF jet fuel damaged ground crews' body cells; long-term consequences unknown, says groundbreaking research Old news, I have been paid out 10 grand tax free years ago. Time will tell if I am effected . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 You may be doing it wrong... Nah, I mix it with honey like Dad taught me on that bare handed Crocodile catching trip when I as 5. That's the very first time I was killed, remember it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Avoid breathing the stuff especially the exhaust of jets. When jet engines are idling they only burn half of the fuel. It contributes to COPD and is full of carcinogens. I now this first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Could be a stupid question. Also the same with jetA1 AVTUR? Or is it only military types?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Avoid breathing the stuff especially the exhaust of jets. When jet engines are idling they only burn half of the fuel. It contributes to COPD and is full of carcinogens.I now this first hand. We loved to wake up to the smell of Turbine fuel in the morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 So did i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 It stinks. That is what your nose is for. To warn you. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Old news, I have been paid out 10 grand tax free years ago. Time will tell if I am effected . I say this in the kindest possible way.......but look at the signs, look how you spelled affected. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I say this in the kindest possible way.......but look at the signs, look how you spelled affected. I'm more worried about spending 12 years as a plumber smelling glue and being coated in PVC primer which is actually MEK on a daily basis for all that time. Plus the 8.5 years working on F111's, I'm surprised I am actually still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 You and me both. I've had nitromethane, nitrobenzine, benzine , lead, truck brakes (asbestos) Asbestos in house construction.Smoking Stinking tractors (About 5,000 hours). Various toxic solvents, cyanide in paint . Absorbing dewatering fluids (kidney problems) and lot's I won't remember till after I finish this post and I'm still going OK at 75 . the only things I have going for me is I don't eat $#!t and I drink a lot of water Nev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 To answer the question is this Mil fuel or civilian fuel, I know that there was a known carcinogen calle FSII that was added to AVTUR for military fuels. It was used to prevent the fungus (I think its a fungus) that can grow in AVTUR and turns it from a fluid to a jelly, not a desirable feature to have in your Kero storage tanks or Aircraft.... I don't recall it being specifically a Military only additive, but equally I seem to recall its primary role (FSII =Fuel System Icing Inhibitor) isn't needed in bigger RPT's cause the fuel feed lines are heated to prevent icing anyway..... For Mil purposes the Anti Fungal features were as/more important by virtue of what defence forces do they stockpile and prepare....something the Fungus likes Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I'm more worried about spending 12 years as a plumber smelling glue and being coated in PVC primer which is actually MEK on a daily basis for all that time. Plus the 8.5 years working on F111's, I'm surprised I am actually still alive. Yeah but that PVC glue smells goooood. Now excuse me, time for my daily teaspoon of cement. We'll give you some privacy. Take your time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 We'll give you some privacy. Take your time. Different type of "Hardening up". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayavner Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I guess if you're going to shxx bricks, you may as well be on the ground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyvulcan Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 To answer the question is this Mil fuel or civilian fuel, I know that there was a known carcinogen calle FSII that was added to AVTUR for military fuels. It was used to prevent the fungus (I think its a fungus) that can grow in AVTUR and turns it from a fluid to a jelly, not a desirable feature to have in your Kero storage tanks or Aircraft....I don't recall it being specifically a Military only additive, but equally I seem to recall its primary role (FSII =Fuel System Icing Inhibitor) isn't needed in bigger RPT's cause the fuel feed lines are heated to prevent icing anyway..... For Mil purposes the Anti Fungal features were as/more important by virtue of what defence forces do they stockpile and prepare....something the Fungus likes Andy From memory (it as a long time ago now for me...), the mil spec F34 was Jet A1 with FSII and F35 was Jet A1 with FSII and Biobor. The FSII was simply an icing inhibitor and the Biobor was the anti-fungal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 From memory (it as a long time ago now for me...), the mil spec F34 was Jet A1 with FSII and F35 was Jet A1 with FSII and Biobor. The FSII was simply an icing inhibitor and the Biobor was the anti-fungal. Yeah me too! the anti ice is an ethylene glycol derivative and I remember in the F111 ground training that it was the antifungal that was a known carcinogen......interesting that it was a known carcinogen back before all the problems with reseal/deseal become public and then once it had no understanding within defence as to why the troops / extroops were having health issues...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 There is concrete evidence of the effect of cement. Nev 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 From the MSDS for Avtur: 11. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION Basis for Assessment : Information given is based on product data, a knowledge of the components and the toxicology of similar products. Acute Oral Toxicity : Low toxicity:LD50 >2000 mg/kg, Rat Aspiration into the lungs when swallowed or vomited may cause chemical pneumonitis which can be fatal. Acute Dermal Toxicity : Low toxicity:LD50 >2000 mg/kg, Rabbit Acute Inhalation Toxicity : Low toxicity: LC50 >5 mg/l / 4 h, Rat High concentrations may cause central nervous system depression resulting in headaches, dizziness and nausea; continued inhalation may result in unconsciousness and/or death. Skin Irritation : Irritating to skin. Eye Irritation : Slightly irritating. Respiratory Irritation : Slightly irritating. Sensitisation : Not a skin sensitiser. Repeated Dose Toxicity : Kidney: caused kidney effects in male rats which are not considered relevant to humans Mutagenicity : Not considered a mutagenic hazard. Carcinogenicity : Not classified as a carcinogen. Repeated skin contact has resulted in irritation and skin cancer in animals. Reproductive and Developmental Toxicity : Not expected to be a developmental toxicant. F-34 / AVTUR/FSII Version 1.2 Effective Date 08.04.2010 Material Safety Data Sheet 8/10 Print Date 08.04.2010 OME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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