MOSAIC..do we think it may come here?..I hope so

[Kyle Communications]

 

 

 

 

[Thruster88]

I believe all the old piston single engine FAR 23 certified aircraft had to meet the 61knot stall limit. Lots of choice for USA sport pilots with a drivers license who have not been declined a class 2 medical. Only one pax though. 

[onetrack]

Woo-Hoo!! .... 250kts speed limit, and any number and any type of engines!! Here comes the twin-jet ultralights that will leave those pathetic, crawling, Rotax-powered kitbuilders in their wake! 😄 

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:18 AM by onetrack

[skippydiesel]

All I know about MOSAIC is from the video  above- sounds very similar to what Australia already has ( less the high stall)😈

[facthunter]

The quicker you die, the Less Pain you will feel. When you go fast you get lost quicker. When you are up high it always  feels slow. High TAS and you feel Turbulence harder. Double the speed needs 4 x the energy.   nev

[johnm]

4 seats (max) allowed - but 1 pilot and 1 passenger - 2 POB max 

 

............. but whose counting 

 

[BurnieM]

2 hours ago, johnm said:

4 seats (max) allowed - but 1 pilot and 1 passenger - 2 POB max 

 

............. but whose counting 

Which we can already do with a RPL and a class 5 Med.

 

All the MOSAIC docs said single passenger all the way through.

 

[skippydiesel]

2 hours ago, johnm said:

4 seats (max) allowed - but 1 pilot and 1 passenger - 2 POB max 

 

............. but whose counting 

 

Your insurance company when you crash - you just voided the cover😈

[FlyingVizsla]

An article from Sport Pilot (RAAus) - it's not in Australia yet.

https://sportpilot.net.au/news/mosaic-explained/

 

[BurnieM]

44 minutes ago, FlyingVizsla said:

An article from Sport Pilot (RAAus) - it's not in Australia yet.

https://sportpilot.net.au/news/mosaic-explained/

That article does not really explain anything except perhaps to indicate that RAAus believe they will be a player in this bigger space.

 

With the Class 5 Medical (inclding the speed with which it was implemeted) if I worked for RAAus I would not be holding my breath.

 

[Kyle Communications]

Class 5 is not recognised by RAAus or even basic med is not recognised either. Only the drivers licence medical.

The stall speed comes up which will allow more aircraft and NOT weight like we are limited to 600kg even though the aircraft can weigh much more.

Under the current RAAus rules you cant fly a 720kg rated aircraft in the 600kg sport pilot category. This why my RANS S-21 has to go in group G or experimental in GA. 

Under Mosaic rules the RANS will be fine..a Cherokee or similar will be fine and you can fly it with a drivers licence medical. There are quite a few differences with MOSAIC

 

[BurnieM]

I, like mainly people, do not see a big difference between RPC and RPL. I simply ask what gets me were I want to go ?

 

I just converted my RPC to RPL which required;

extra 3 hours solo cross country including 100nm trip with 2 full stops,

ELP assessment (bye $150), 

an hours online course and $10 for med 5, 

lots of photocopying and

$50 to process my CASA RPC to RPL form.

Still need to sort out a BFR.

 

Then I could fly a Cherokee if I wanted too.

I will probably end up with something in the 600-760kg range, basically a LSA with a decent amount of fuel and luggage.

I may get a 4 seater if I can get the money together (more luggage and 2 dogs).

 

Main driver for me is controlled airspace/aerodrome which is coming to RAAus (when?) but does not seem to be being driven by RAAus (why?).

 

RAAus group G requires a LAME so no advantage over CASA registration.

 

Why would CASA want to go down the MOSAIC route when we are already there with RPT and med 5 ?

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:50 AM by BurnieM

[red750]

The Piper PA-22 Tripacer has a Gross weight of 2000lb, 907 kg, but I have a photo of one with RAA rego.

[Kyle Communications]

Group G does not require a LAME if you build it yourself. The same as Experimental in GA

But MOSAIC updates the LSA category in the USA which seemed to be a bit more restrictive in the USA except LSA in the USA you could fly in CTA if you had done the rating.

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

4 minutes ago, red750 said:

The Piper PA-22 Tripacer has a Gross weight of 2000lb, 907 kg, but I have a photo of one with RAA rego.

Yes well there were a few aircraft that seemed to get "special treatment" but then they had to have the crackdown and that is certainly not allowed any more

 

[facthunter]

There's also a 2 seater COLT with no flaps and a smaller engine.  Stalling speed a bit high. Nev

[BrendAn]

On 23/07/2025 at 11:17 AM, onetrack said:

Woo-Hoo!! .... 250kts speed limit, and any number and any type of engines!! Here comes the twin-jet ultralights that will leave those pathetic, crawling, Rotax-powered kitbuilders in their wake! 😄 

 

I will finally be able to fit a rolls Merlin to the xair