dunlopdangler

I reckon he's panicked when he saw the speed sign and lost it on the wet:busted:

Played some of the videos that are linked to the links in the thread and witnesses state that the aircraft clipped power lines before spinning into house.. very lucky indeed.

No, I doubt very much if she had the auto pilot engaged, she'd already carried out a missed approach on the wrong runway, come around to land and was too high and then it all went to crap going for another attempt. The model she was flying was the SR20. which is the 200hp version and very docile though out the flight envelope.. not that makes any difference really. . From tapes and news stories on this, it would not have made one iota difference what aeroplane she was in..

I've been ramp checked twice since I got my licence in 1979.. Once in Maitland and the other was coming back from Birdsville at Charleville. Casa blokes were friendly enough and I had everything in order so no probs.. Apart from the aircraft docs being correct, the biggy with both seemed to be current charts, flight plan and fuel log.. At Charleville I was also tested for drug and alcohol. CASA had a contracted drug and alcohol testing officer and he was very stern in his attitude towards me, probably thought flying back from Birdsville, I was obviously hung over and still over the limit only to be disappointed after all his paperwork and sample taking and testing.. he was very thorough..

If there was ever a lesson of what can happen when things go pear shape, this accident is it.. Low hour pilot going into a very busy airport, getting instructions wrong and going into overload... flustered... maybe panicking and in the end (perhaps out of fuel) loosing control of the aircraft with dire consequences.. I can only guess that she froze at the controls in the last few seconds and whether the chute would have saved them if she only remembered to pull the handle.. Watching the video frame for frame, the only thing that seemed to be working was gravity. A very sad and tragic outcome for these three souls.

^^^^^ What CB wrote so well, and to just expand on the ELOS certification, the Cirrus wing design makes the aircraft inherently very stable and very hard to get to spin. during certification testing they purely did not complete the number of spin recoveries required in the spin testing, so in their wisdom the FAA accepted the BRS as an ELOS for spin recovery..

Sorry Oscar... what inherent faults? I've flown oh, I don't know several hundred hours in the SR22 over two models and I found them a joy to fly, predictable in handling and reliable.. my only gripe would be the fact that they didn't have rudder trim. The accident rates have come down purely because of better training and education. Like CB, I would and have put my family members in them with the utmost confidence. I treat the aircraft with respect and flight plan like it doesn't have the chute... I currently don't have an aeroplane at the moment, but if I purchase another, first preference would be the SR22

I caught up with Howie not so long ago, he didn't mention he was sick and only I learnt about his illness recently... I was meaning to get down and visit again but alas that isn't going to happen now. my association with Howie goes back many years and he was a bloody funny character and never a dull moment.. A naval engineer by trade and an outside of the box thinker, innovator and one of the pioneers of Australian recreational flying. R.I.P my friend.

If you carry out any illegal activity, or drive or fly under the influence (and that covers some prescription drugs) and you end up in circumstances similar to this situation, you will not only find your insurance company wiping you off and at risk of losing your house, but also be facing a manslaughter or involuntary murder charge.

Just continue on the direct ppl path.. You already know that the school you are with will support your decision.. They gave you an alternative to make your task easier... Not to line their pockets.. That has already been do e to you and that is why you (and others) are in this postition

Aplund, very very few of us get our PPL in minimum hours and by you asking these questions leads me to believe that you are putting yourself under needless duress.. If you think you can comfortably handle the extra workload continue accordingly... don't be too disappointed with yourself if you go down the RPL path... You have to remember that the direct to PPL is a pathway designed for the full time student...

Now that these qualifications that have been around now for a number of years, it would be very interesting to see just how many actually end up in the airlines or for that matter, end up flying for a living at all.. Struggling to repay a huge debt to boot, a freshly qualified candidate with all of the bells and whistles (MCIR and ATPL) has only got a couple of hundred hours experience ie., unemployable with most insurance requirements, and unless lucky enough to get the highly competitive direct entry offerings into the airlines, will be forced to find ways to build up hours to get to the minimum required.. In the meantime, there are more starry eyed freshly squeezed candidates out there doing the same. My advice to anyone considering a future in professional flying, is yes get a uni degree in something you would like to do other than aviation just in case. Airline and other prospective employers look at the evidence of achieving the tertiary qualifications and you have something to fall back on... again, just in case.

Replacement already after the RQAC/AAA fiasco.. but really... $63K for a bachelor of business seems a fairly high price..

For some reason, my bucket list includes getting into one of these.... maybe ever since I first saw them in a James Bond movie, feel free Jason to upload your progress and pics of course as I'm sure there are a few of us here that will appreciate your efforts

Bex.. I know the Euro rules.. don't take half of my statement out of context/// my point was simply all that design work for that outcome.. Why bother!!

and there you go!!

in all the flights I've flown in and out of Redcliffe and that's been in every thing from tail-dragger Skyfox to twins... I can't ever recall a time when the wind was ever straight down the runway.. and if it was at one end.. it certainly wasn't at the other end.. so if you get complacent or inattentive.......

just a shame with all that work that they couldn't get more than 120kts cruise.. but I guess its all relative to getting the weight/stall speed down to within the rules.. now if they could come up with something between this and the full blown l39..

The main thing that you should remember is that your training records belong to YOU. they do not belong to the flying organisation nor the creditors. Training records have no monetary value (unless of course you owe them money and can be a bargaining chip of sorts). do what Aplund has done and be a pain in the A>?{ and get whatever flying school you decide on to use whatever persuasion methods to help secure them..

yeah, the beer economy was around when I learnt to fly.. bounce was a stubby, so was hitting the taxy lights with the nose wheel.. Even traffic controllers were in on it when you stuffed up at a particular aerodrome a slab was the order of the day at the base of the control tower... ahh, so long ago..

WOW... thanks Kaz.. I just read through that quite extraordinary link and for once CASA action has given me a warm and fuzzy feeling..

They've been around a long time and they are probably enjoying fairly low insurance premiums. so to change their minimum requirements would prove expensive.

from the pics, left hand wing is stuffed and no doubt going into the ditch I would suspect firewall damage at least and more than likely a bulk strip at the very least...

yeah.. looked like an RV upside down on his private strip.. pilot wasn't seriously injured apparently which is always good news.

so a supposably critically ill pilot just had to immediately land and then walked 70klms in the next 18 hours in arid conditions..... what a truly remarkable and extraordinary recovery... I'll go with my earlier view on this