robinsm Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Have heard a rumour tonight that 2 of the Raa Aus board members have resigned. Any truth in this and if so why? (Rumour is it was Bill Cain and Don Ramsey??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 I sense a thread lock coming on............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsm Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 So what's going on now ?, I met Don at Temora and I saw this board as one of the most stable, and potentially effective ones we've had in a while....................................................................Maj... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsm Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 Its a rumour only at present, could someone who knows these gents either confirm or deny please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GraemeM Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 There is nothing like a good rumour is there? They are always fun. Graeme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Its a rumour only at present, could someone who knows these gents either confirm or deny please. Why don't you phone them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 I know of one member that is not listed in the opening post that told me he was about to resign also...I know of so much going on, and have the documents to prove it, that would make any RAAus member absolutely disgusted and I did say all this would happen 8 months ago however I am waiting for the right time to release it all...if you want to save RAAus both Runciman and Tizzard need to go TODAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernsey Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 WOW!!! Them's fighting words Ian and you have me worried. Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Its best that AP stays out of the machinations of the RAA board. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damkia Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 "Innocent until proven guilty", or sentiment to that effect. Rumours never help. Wait for the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 One thing that I was able to achieve when I was a board member, although against the wishes of other board members, was to instil more transparency as I said to all members what was happening even though it was to much disgust of hearing the goings on of the board by many members, I still did it as I believed YOU own the Association, not a group of 13. So, with this in mind I can't help but wonder whether I should stand at this next election and try to bring back the board member communication again and thus transparency but as I found before, I am just 1 person? In respect of the rumours, Ramsay and Cain's resignation are not rumours, the reasons for their resignations are basically the same, and the resignation of a third board member was also for the same but that resignation was not accepted by Runciman yet he accepted the other two. Also as to proof, I have emails and copies of solicitors letters which I WILL release depending on what happens soon and to the extent that I say again...Runciman and Tizzard MUST stand down TODAY and leave the RAAus to rebuild itself for the most important stakeholder...YOU, the members ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damkia Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Could there be a no confidence motion put forward, with a suggestion of a spill of all positions? It sounds like the best way to move forward. How about a petition from RAA members for a special GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 damkia, suggest you download the Constitution and read it; the constitution is the main reason the rot hasn't been cleaned out long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashley Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 how about instead of everyone spreading rumours people should state the facts.If someone says they have emails and letters they should post them or SHUT UP I am sick of this talk about people must resign for raa to survive WHY WHAT HAVE THEY DONE so come on put your pen where your mouth is and tell us what you know or is it all BS and just a personal vendetta ie throw enough mud and some will stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I reckon that it would be very difficult and frustrating for a new board member or members to get their points across with so many empire builders . Same stuff happened years ago.A few times actually, over the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Crashley, In this case above.Nobody was forced to resign.They have resigned out of frustration I beleive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 All this stuff is give and take. You have to work with what you have most times and goodwill and co-operation is essential. Interpersonal skills are often lacking these days. NO one person can have it all their way. You need a good dose of pragmatism and an achievable aim, Any organisation like this one could start with a good policy manual where all policies have a sunset clause. ( If they are inactive they lapse or are revised/amended and accepted again. Any constitution is designed within the constraints of it's particular state legislation. An incorporated body cannot be far away from the model. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 An incorporated body cannot be far away from the model. Nev You could have fooled me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit12 Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I wonder if Craig Thompson was involved in this scandal too...!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Probably not Bandit, but you guys should be making a noise about it because its not like a bowls club where everyone goes down to the pub and forgets about it. This Association is the reason you can fly, if you fly RA. If it becomes dysfunctional and unable to carry out its charter, you stop flying. If an elected Official resigns, it should be HIM who tells the members why. It only does damage to the organization if he leaves things open to create rumours and misinformation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damkia Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Had a bit of a read... Section 17 makes it clear it can be done... 17. Removal of Board Members. The association in general meeting may by resolution, subject to Section 50 of the Act, remove any Member of the Board from office before the expiration of the Member’s term of office. ...needing 7 members present (section 25 (i) and (ii), and section 28) - best to be "unhappy campers" wanting the change by proposing a general members poll and Special/Extraordinary General meeting(but the more present the merrier)... 25. General meetings - procedure and quorum. (i) No item of business shall be transacted at a General Meeting unless a quorum of Members entitled under these rules to vote is present during the time the meeting is considering that item. (ii) Seven (7) Members present in person (being Members entitled under these rules to vote at a General Meeting) constitute a quorum for the transaction of the business at the General Meeting. 28. Making of decisions. not less than 3 Members, present in person or by proxy at the meeting. ...using a stack of proxy votes at the next (Special/Extraordinary) General Meeting to get the spill of positions happening. If it is as toxic a corporate structure as it is being made out to be, then IMHO this would not be an unreasonable approach. Of note there does not appear to be anything the suggests the the CEO, AM, OM, AOM, and TM are not a part of the board, simply that there are 13 individuals on the elected board who undertake day-to-day running. If there are enough misgivings to warrant an investigation, why not the corruption investigation organisation in NSW? (being registered in Fyshwick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 but you guys should be making a noise about it I might make a noise if I knew exactly what "IT" is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Your last point it a good one Turbo. Just where he/she would do it is a matter of choice. Also I don't believe I would want to put pressure on anyone other than to say that if there is an issue, we are the shareholders (in a sense) so have an entitlement to be informed. I would fight for the right of anyone to explain what the problem is (as they see it), in those circumstances. I have belonged to organisations where quite long letters of resignation have been submitted to the executive and have never been made public. I see this as a wrong procedure although ( depending on the content) some of it may have legal implications. Possible forums? for the explanation would be Here and the Magazine.. They should have the right to have their statements published unedited, unless there was some legal process likely to flow from it and that would have to be a convincing , rather than just convenient restriction. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 damkia, what are we suggesting? Don't "stack" meetings, please, and what has"toxic" got to do with it. Has the toilet over run?We are not in the parliament now where such inappropriate terms have common usage. Don't go there. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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