facthunter Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 The ROD you have calculated is about the same as a DHC-1 spinning. Gliding would be about the figure stated. That ROD is equal to about 100 kph vertically plus the vector addition of any forward speed. Nev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 think it was a honda engine alf we saw it in hanger in sale a long time ago and it on CASA registrar with Honda still Yes Deb, You are correct now I think of it a Honda engine it might have been, I remember it being an auto engine of the Japanese brand, my mistake, he spent heaps on it to try and get more HP and had serious cooling issues, had more add on parts than Liberace with no real gain in the end. Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Below are two consecutive lines from one of the media reports : It said crashes were mainly caused by pilots losing control. Mechanical faults, mainly partial or complete engine failures, caused more than half of the accidents. ( ? ) Now, do those statements amount to anything sensible ? I realise that the average media reporter is not particularly au fait with aviation in any form, but that just doesn't make sense. And I wonder why the media ALMOST ALWAYS use statements like "The hero pilot steered away from the school / highway / supermarket / etc. . ." when they can have no idea AT ALL of what actually happened. Sorry folks, I'm not media bashing, but it just irks me a tad. Phil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Heroes in a crisis sell papers. Get a headline and milk it for all it's worth. Nev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Whatever we all think is purely conjecture based on nothing more than what we have read in the media and the transponder data provided by Cameron. The coroner should determine whether it was medical & ATSB whether it was mechanical. It does seem certain that it was an uncontrolled descent, otherwise a landing on the beach would have been the probable outcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Perry Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Whilst I agree in principle with the thrust of your comment KG, I also realise that speculation ( by pilots and other people with at least SOME aviation experience ) is only natural, and is, in my view, not a bad thing intrinsically. Without such questioning of a given situation, having not much information to formulate a definitive cause, the world would be a pretty boring place ? ? ? Such is the learnng curve formed perhaps . . . .perhaps not, but since time immemorial, speculation and conjecture has been with us and will, I believe always be a feature of any media channel where those of like mind seem to congregate. . . . . . Happy Days Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Phil, using the word "caused" confuses it. Is a "major element of" might be better. I think both the statements are essentially true and and a pilot can (and often does) lose control AFTER an engine failure complete or partial. because it is a pressure situation, and possible lack of training initial or ongoing. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ave8rr Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Prelim Report from ATSB. http://www.atsb.com.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/aair/ao-2014-164.aspx Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Oil all over the canopy, wing and tail. And contents of the cockpit emptied before the impact? What on earth has gone on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Zero vis due to oil on canopy, so he unlatched it? But if it came off it would be reported as found elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Rather Curious isn't it? He is IF trained so the oil on the windscreen wouldn't be an immediate problem. Didn't it lose oil pressure? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Oil pressure drops sharply over last minute or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Fire maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Very strange. Given the altitude, wind direction & strength it is not surprising that the things from the cockpit were found where they were. If the canopy was covered in oil perhaps it was slid back so the pilot could try to see where he was going & everything got sucked out. The report on the engine will be interesting to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Sorry for speculating in here.. But i dont agree Deb. A small amount of oil goes a long way. Can always look out the sides? Lets not start doing the "he should have done this" caper hey? The facts show oil on the canopy and wings, thats what I was referring to. Clearly for some reason the canopy was opened or compromised. Thats all we have to go on. Doubt heavy things would be sucked out of the cockpit. Maps and paper work maybe. Ersa and radio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 The RV canopy would open easily. Never tried it in flight tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Theres an RV 6 canopy <-------- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ave8rr Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 May have been a tip up canopy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 "A little bit of oil goes a long way" 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Doubt heavy things would be sucked out of the cockpit. Maps and paper work maybe. Ersa and radio? I thought the same but if he had some sort of parcel shelf like I do then the items would only have to be blown around sideways & just fall out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Doubt heavy things would be sucked out of the cockpit. Maps and paper work maybe. Ersa and radio? Unless inverted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 That's what I was getting at.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 That's what I was getting at.. Sorry Merv:doh: and there I was thinking I was clever Dad is always saying it's nearly impossible to get things through to me and then he says when he does get things through they keep going straight out the other side:puzzled:. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Looking at the track where he was almost lined up on the beach, or had an easy option of ditching, but then curved back into the dense residential area with narrow streets south of Nepean Highway and the inevitable collision with a house, his situational awareness or vision appears to have been compromised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Looking at the track where he was almost lined up on the beach, or had an easy option of ditching, but then curved back into the dense residential area with narrow streets south of Nepean Highway and the inevitable collision with a house, his situational awareness or vision appears to have been compromised. Too me, that seems like the most logical explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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