FlyingVizsla Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-14/plane-crashes-into-a-house-at-chelsea/5812548 A light plane has crashed into a house near The Strand at Chelsea in Melbourne's south-east. Victoria Police said they received numerous calls from people saying a small aircraft appeared to be experiencing engine problems before it plummeted into the property about 1.30pm AEDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog63 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Pilot has been confirmed deceased. Condolences to family and friends on this trdgic news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The Strand is a very short street in a very narrow band of residential development between Port Phillip Bay and Nepean Highway.Nortwest of Nepean Highway is open paddocks, parklands, golf courses etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog63 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Police are saying the aircraft may have been homebuilt. They are confident they know who the pilot is but this is to be confirmed and that there has some debrise found along the flight path but are uncertin if it belongs to te aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 it was smashed to pieces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 He wasn't gliding, webtrak shows 6-9000fpm and increasing descent rate. From 3000ft, cruising along the beach, to impact in 20 seconds. I assume from that it would have to be structural or medical related. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ave8rr Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/aair/ao-2014-164.aspx This is the second RV-6/A in just a couple of weeks. Condolences to family and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmick Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Airframe Year of Manufacture:1999 Country of Manufacture:AUSTRALIA First Registered Date:04 July 2003 Airframe:Power Driven Aeroplane Landing Gear:TRICYCLE-FIXED Engines No. Engines:1 Manufacturer:AERO SPORT POWER Type:Piston Model:IO-360-B1B Fuel:Gasoline Propeller Manufacturer:HARTZELL PROPELLERS Model:HC-C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2 Certification Certification Type:ABAA-92 CDA Data A:Experimental 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/chelsea-plane-crash-plane-nosedives-and-hits-houses/story-fnizu68q-1227090101652 Lot of photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerme Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I have a friend who witnessed this tragedy. Condolences to the pilots family and my heart goes out to all that witnessed the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 From a friend this afternoon .. That RV that went into suburban Cheltenham today ( near Moorabin AP ) was being flown by one of my Chapters members it seems, his name hasn't been released but it was his plane and he never let anyone else fly it..........and he's not answering his phone......so 2+2+2..... He was an experienced pilot and his plane was nicely maintained, so who knows the cause, there were TV reports of some part of it that was found a long distance from the crash site. No-one on the ground was hurt ( reportedly due to his flying ), so small mercies. The next Chapter meeting isn't going to be too cheery. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hero-pilot-praised-for-avoiding-disaster-in-chelsea-light-plane-crash/story-fni0fit3-1227090649881 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/homemade-aircraft-in-fiery-suburban-crash-tops-accident-figures/story-fni0fiyv-1227091877323 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Chelsea3 is a Melway view of the intersection of The Strand and Camp St. Camp St is the first street parallel to the beach Chelsea2 shows Moorabbin Airport in the circle and the crash site as the red dot Chelsea1 shows just how close site was to the beach. Depending which runway he took off from, Cameron's 3000 feet point would be a very steep climb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poteroo Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Chelsea3 is a Melway view of the intersection of The Strand and Camp St. Camp St is the first street parallel to the beachChelsea2 shows Moorabbin Airport in the circle and the crash site as the red dot Chelsea1 shows just how close site was to the beach. Depending which runway he took off from, Cameron's 3000 feet point would be a very steep climb. Perhaps achievable @ 1500 fpm and 90 kts climb, especially if wind was E/SE at time. RV6 with a CSU instead of FP would not have had as good gliding radius, but the beach was only a second or two's glide @ 75 kts? Hope the ATSB can determine the root cause. RIP fellow RV'er. poteroo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The climb rate was around 1200-1500fpm. He took off around 1:23:00, was level at 3000 at 1:25:30 (roughly 2.5 minutes), then 30 seconds later at 1:26:00 something has gone wrong and 20 seconds after that at 1:26:20 was the impact into the ground. It looks like he took off from Runway 17 R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acro Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 sounds medical...he was an old guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ave8rr Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 really? he clearly tryed to make the beach and called the tower before Reported this morning in the local paper. (The cause of the crash was still a mystery, but authorities have revealed that the pilot made no distress call). Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acro Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 really? he clearly tryed to make the beach and called the tower before the rate of descent, no call, last minute maneuvering, yes it sounds medical not mechanical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf jessup Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The aircraft involved used to reside at West Sale (think it was actually built there), met the fellow a number of times and seemed a lovely old fellow, originally had a modified Toyota auto engine of some sorts in it but had endless trouble trying to get the cooling and HP right, watched it one day take over 3/4's of the 1530m runway to get airborne. He eventually gave up on the Tojo engine and put a lycoming in it, haven't seen it around for awhile so not sure if it was relocated closer to where he lived in Melbourne. May he rest in peace and condolences to his family and friends. Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poteroo Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The climb rate was around 1200-1500fpm.He took off around 1:23:00, was level at 3000 at 1:25:30 (roughly 2.5 minutes), then 30 seconds later at 1:26:00 something has gone wrong and 20 seconds after that at 1:26:20 was the impact into the ground. It looks like he took off from Runway 17 R. If your times are correct - then 20 secs to lose 3000 ft is certainly not a controlled glide. An RV6 should glide at approx. 70kts with a 700-800 fpm ROD. At that rate, there should have been over 3 minutes of gliding time @ 70 kts to locate the aircraft in a more suitable area. That's over 3nm, or 5-6 kms. Even if you took the descent as commencing at 1:25:30 - that's 3000 ft in 50 secs which is 3500 fpm. Not a survivable descent rate. These numbers don't correlate well with witness statements that have appeared, but there will be more to come when ATSB get to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keenaviator Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The climb rate was around 1200-1500fpm.He took off around 1:23:00, was level at 3000 at 1:25:30 (roughly 2.5 minutes), then 30 seconds later at 1:26:00 something has gone wrong and 20 seconds after that at 1:26:20 was the impact into the ground. It looks like he took off from Runway 17 R. To lose 3000' in 30" is 6000' per minute. That's a pretty radical rate of decent. This is not consistent with controlled flight. RIP fellow flyer. Laurie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Acro, You are merely stating a view. You haven't made a case for it.. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chook1964 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I saw what clearly looked like a Lycoming in some of the news footage.It was painted bright red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlegg Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 He had already used up some of his lives: THE man who died after his homemade light plane plummeted into a suburban Melbourne home on Tuesday had survived one of modern aviation’s most terrifying and avoidable disasters. John Stephenson, 77, was on board United Airlines Flight 811 with his wife when an issue with air compression caused the cargo door to break open during the flight. The plane had taken off from Honolulu Airport when, at 23,000 feet, differences in air compression caused the plane began to break apart. http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/light-plane-victim-john-stephenson-survived-one-of-modern-aviations-most-terrifying-disasters/story-fnizu68q-1227092580169 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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