Chocolate Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Just started to update AIP..aeronautical information publication. I would like to write to mr skidmire and ask for plain English writing to return to the AIP. Example gen 3.2 -9 page replaced. Why was it replaced. Because the powers that be have turned the words Aerodrome Reference Point into ARP for pities sake! Doesn't take up anymore space to write it out in full. Another completely useless acronym ... And a completely useless replacement page reprint. Anyone have his direct email ..thought I saw it on here on a previous post when he first started work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 ARP has meant that for over 30 years at least. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhysmcc Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 ARP takes up a lot less space then Aerodrome Reference Point and as Nev has pointed out been an acronym for some time. Anything to reduce the size of AIP is a good thing in my books. (tackle ERSA next) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 The principle is.....the source documents should be in plain English. Abbreviate to your hearts content after that. My all time favourite is CIvil Aviation Orders 48 Flight Time Limitations. Here is an example..."after an FCMs assigned FDP commences, the AOC holder may assign to the FCM a modified FDP ..." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I agree with you Chocolate, there's no excuse for acronyms in the digital age, and worse, it seems they create enough confusion and reluctance to learn that it's affecting safety. When thousands of pilots were flying every day in WW2 and there were no word processors, acronyms made sense, and in daily use were easily remembered along with morse code. In the 1950 - 1980 period it was fashionable to fling the acronyms around the bars and tables to impress students and families, some people being able to concoct almost complete sentences of acronyms. Their flying of course usually didn't reflect this superior knowledge. This habit has carried over to today where people boast about a flying trip to YSMI when even they had to look it up, and virtually no one reading the story has a clue where it is. Today a commercial pilot flying every day would know them, but starts to get dangerous to expect recreational pilots, flying 20 - 50 hours a week to remember them. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 The use of the abbreviations is infuriating. While it saves paper the voice effort is not much reduced Same as aerodrome abbreviations YTIF etc. I went from YNOP to YGEE and the diverted to Y kill a moo cow. Y confuse everyone, I ask U? ADF was a radio compass receiver . Not Australian Defence Forces. CONFUSION is a bad thing in aviation.. SAB... Secret Aviation Business? Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
440032 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Does this mean you'll be now known as Neville, Nev! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Been called worse. I personally don't like the name and it has no family history going back on either side either. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I doubt that you will get his personal address, but you could go to tha CASA internet page and use "contact us" You will get read by someone and you may even get your message across. Last time I looked there were about 16 pages of acronyms, so I doubt anyone knows them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayavner Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 www is 3 times as many syllables as world wide web 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryc Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 :roflmao:I wish as a recreational pilot I could fly 20 to 50 hrs a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayavner Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 i was going to just leave it heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I doubt that you will get his personal address, but you could go to tha CASA internet page and use "contact us"You will get read by someone and you may even get your message across. Last time I looked there were about 16 pages of acronyms, so I doubt anyone knows them all. Try playing with something like a 737. In the maintenance manuals, the same acronym is often used for different things, depending on which system you're working on. There are several CPUs, some are hydraulic, some are electrical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Do you mean CSD's. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Do you mean CSD's. Nev No, I can recall having to pull the CPU out of the vertical stab (Csomething Power Unit), essentially just a rudder servo, but when searching CPU in the maintenance manual, the number of CPUs was disturbing. On topic, I think, generally speaking, having ex-military (especially higher ranking) in leadership roles for civilian tasks, will never work out. 1. They are used to a virtually bottomless pit of other people's money 2. They are used to getting their own way 3.They are very good at using knee-jerk reactions to fix perceived problems. Just look at the defence procurement system, they never buy "off the shelf", it's never "under budget", usually "unique",and it's usually superseded by the time it sees service. EDIT; that may have been a PCU, unless it was changed to reduce confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I am in furious agreement with many of your characterisations. Military people are trained as they are for specific reasons. Your#3 is a result of the concept. "Make a decision Man, even if it's the wrong one. Don't be indecisive." Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I am in furious agreement with many of your characterisations. Military people are trained as they are for specific reasons. Your#3 is a result of the concept."Make a decision Man, even if it's the wrong one. Don't be indecisive." Nev Mark Skidmore was one of our pilots when I was at 1SQN inn the 80's. I have no recollection of his personality, but I am pretty sure that he was the pilot that I had my one and only short F111 jolly with when I was posted out. Should have been memorable, but was very boring, had a translating cowl warning/caution on takeoff, so we were restricted to less than 450 kts and no abrupt manoeuvring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Hi "NEV" Your name is quite normal, Had a friend of a friend stay with me, his name JOHN can you guess his surname. DOE , and his sister of cause had to be JANE. Yes I did check his passport. PS. can anyone tell me what the Y in airport address stands for spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakej Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 it stands for lack of training by some instructors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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