turboplanner Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 The rules we have to comply with were made with good intentions and are probably OK for 90% of cases. The problem is that we are run by bureaucrats who have no idea of what is really happening. If we break the rules we may get pulled up by a copper who has common sense and can see that we were doing nothing against the meaning of the rule. He may even do nothing, or then again he may throw the book at us. I just wonder what will happen in the courts, if it gets that far. Magistrates are rather like police. We are currently being "restricted" as against "run" by senior Health professionals (mostly Professors, so the top of the tree in their field). The beaurocrats are carrying out the policies set by the Chief medical Officer. A good analogy is a school bus driver in a small town who, for the last ten years has operated his bus to the road regulations, and is told what time to start and where to pick up kids by the local Headmaster, and paid and controlled by the Education Department. A bushfire is coming through and the local Council decides to activate their Municipal Emergency Management Plan and appoints the senior Sergeant of Police as Municipal Emergency Manager. He decides to evacuate the school because the fire is getting close, two out of the three school buses have been cut off, so he makes the decision to take three loads of children in the same bus under slow escort away from the fire. (in other words he has sized up all risks and made the decision) The bus driver is required to obey the orders given by the MEM, and takes the children to safety. As ar as people breaking the rules in this crisi is concerned the NSW Commissioner explained this morning that a number of people were fined yesterday for disobeying the lock down rules in place, but these were people who had previously been dgiven seven or eight warnings. He said "You can tell people what they have to do, but some people just don't care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 We are currently being "restricted" as against "run" by senior Health professionals (mostly Professors, so the top of the tree in their field). The beaurocrats are carrying out the policies set by the Chief medical Officer. A good analogy is a school bus driver in a small town who, for the last ten years has operated his bus to the road regulations, and is told what time to start and where to pick up kids by the local Headmaster, and paid and controlled by the Education Department. A bushfire is coming through and the local Council decides to activate their Municipal Emergency Management Plan and appoints the senior Sergeant of Police as Municipal Emergency Manager. He decides to evacuate the school because the fire is getting close, two out of the three school buses have been cut off, so he makes the decision to take three loads of children in the same bus under slow escort away from the fire. (in other words he has sized up all risks and made the decision) The bus driver is required to obey the orders given by the MEM, and takes the children to safety. As ar as people breaking the rules in this crisi is concerned the NSW Commissioner explained this morning that a number of people were fined yesterday for disobeying the lock down rules in place, but these were people who had previously been dgiven seven or eight warnings. He said "You can tell people what they have to do, but some people just don't care. Yep, great analogy..? My question would be what idiots allowed the local school to be in the situation that it could be threatened by a bushfire..? Back with the CCP Virus... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aro Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Got some links to these claims ? They were made by Mark Levine, chair of the New York City Council health committee: [MEDIA=twitter]1247155043171741696[/MEDIA] They generated a lot of controversy, he has walked back the suggestion of using public parks, saying it was just a contingency: [MEDIA=twitter]1247257389776109573[/MEDIA] He now says that if temporary burials are required they will be on Hart Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 They were made by Mark Levine, chair of the New York City Council health committee: [MEDIA=twitter]1247155043171741696[/MEDIA] They generated a lot of controversy, he has walked back the suggestion of using public parks, saying it was just a contingency: [MEDIA=twitter]1247257389776109573[/MEDIA] He now says that if temporary burials are required they will be on Hart Island. Thank goodness we live in Australia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Thank goodness we live in Australia It's early days, but their seems to be big variations in infection and death rates across the world. America is being hammered more than most by this pandemic. I suspect a few questions will be asked about their woeful unpreparedness and the disorganised response by many authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 It's early days, but their seems to be big variations in infection and death rates across the world. America is being hammered more than most by this pandemic. I suspect a few questions will be asked about their woeful unpreparedness and the disorganised response by many authorities. Apparently funding wind power was more important..? “...A new report indicates that New York City auctioned off its emergency stockpile of 500 ventilators several years ago, thanks to budget cuts and attention to other priorities.....” https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/07/report-new-york-city-auctioned-off-ventilator-stockpile/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aro Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 The worst infection and death rates are countries that initially did not take it seriously. It is still very early days. It is only a month since we started to see significant numbers of deaths outside China, and it's a slow disease - for those who die its maybe 4 or 5 weeks from infection to death. We are very lucky in Australia having been able to see what happens in other countries in time to prepare ourselves and take precautions. I am hopeful that we will find better ways to treat it over the next few months - in the meantime we need to minimize the number of infections. Poorer countries are likely to be very badly affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 The worst infection and death rates are countries that initially did not take it seriously... ... Wrong. One example: Italy - as has been referenced before in this thread. For several years now their health system has been in a near state of collapse just from the annual flu deaths. Add a bit of hysteria to the mix and... Keep in mind just because a particular country currently has a low record of ChiCom virus it don’t mean they wont get the virus. There’s those that have had it and those that will get it. Other factors: “.....As the novel coronavirus sweeps across the United States, it appears to be infecting and killing black Americans at a disproportionately high rate, according to a Washington Post analysis of early data from jurisdictions across the country... ..A Post analysis of available data and census demographics shows that counties that are majority-black have three times the rate of infections and almost six times the rate of deaths as counties where white residents are in the majority.....” https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/coronavirus-is-infecting-killing-black-americans-an-alarmingly-high-rate-post-analysis-shows/?arc404=true Dark skinned people have a higher need of sunshine. Put them in a cold place where they get minimal sunshine and there are serious health issues. There are also ‘white’ skinned people who have vitamin D issues - Depending on the particular sect of islam there can be a requirement for males to cover nearly all their body whenever they are outside. Females - yep. Sunshine = ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Via Jo Nova... “...Researchers Grant et al, put out a call for people to supplement with D during this pandemic, pointing out that this will reduce the incidence of the co-morbidities that are hit hardest by Coronavirus. They also point out that D reduces respiratory tract infections, and is actively involved in our own anti-viral defences in at least three different ways. Vitamin D induces cathelicidin and defensins (polypeptides that our immune system uses like surface-to-air missiles against bacteria or enveloped viruses). D also reduces production of proinflammatory cytokines (the messengers that elict the deadly cascade of inflammation). Vitamin D inhibits cytokines and reduces lung injury and a deficiency contributes to ARDS: ...more and more evidence indicates that vitamin D is involved in regulating various cells of the innate and adaptive immune system [13]. Vitamin D has a broad role in regulating inflammatory responses in models of inflammations [14], [15], [16]. Vitamin D receptor knockout mice which were treated with LPS, displayed a more distinct inflammatory response than wildtype mice [17]. In addition, we previously demonstrated that vitamin D deficiency (VDD) contributed directly to the ARDS… — Zheng et al (2020).....” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluboyz Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Wrt rusty planes &/or rusty pilots as well as student pilots this Can L-plate drivers keep practising under coronavirus restrictions? raises some interesting possibilities perhaps checking with appropriate police or state health officials might be the go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 This is not a bad summary of what is happening with Stage 3 lockdown around Australia, and the whys. For flying read down to the very bottom for what Victoria is doing.WY0078-compressed.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gearon Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Latest seems to be a flattening in USA and I noticed same in Australia. Just 54 new cases in Australia. Taiwan has just 1 new case today. Quite remarkable. I visited a factory, supermarket and Japanese restaurant today. All temp checked us and factory required mask wearing. Chefs and staff at Japanese masked and they even burn the corona virus off your food. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 For flying read down to the very bottom for what Victoria is doing. Couldn't find anything about flying, want to cut and paste the section for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Pilot Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 I had lined up a job in Canada in mid May. They are still very keen, have all the required paperwork to both leave here and work there but currently a bit of a problem getting there. Maybe things will loosen up a bit between now and then, if not looks like I'll be wintering in the Homeshed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Bummer.. Whereabouts in Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Pilot Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Manitoba initially then take an aircraft across to Quebec for a months spraying spruce budworm. After that back to the prairies for a couple of months. Haven't given up yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Couldn't find anything about flying, want to cut and paste the section for us. 'Stop looking for loopholes ' : What are the new COVID-19 social rules? Victoria "police have clarified that driving lessons are non-essential moving forward and so you can be fined for them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 'Stop looking for loopholes ' How about you stop giving incorrect information. In Queensland I can legally fly from my private residence to another private residence as long as I adhere to the Queensland directive. I've posted the link before and here it is again.... Home Confinement, Movement and Gathering Direction | Queensland Health It's NOT a loophole, it is as per the directive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Some prelim stats from England, and written by a lock-down fan... “...The report also considers ethnicity. About four-fifths of the UK population is White, but only two-thirds of the critical cases to date are Whites. Blacks, in particular, are three times over-represented in intensive care: they represent one case in seven, but are only one in 20 of the population. Body mass index was also studied, but the number of cases in the below-normal, normal, overweight, obese and morbidly obese categories is not far out of line with the general population, two-thirds of whom are overweight or obese. Some 72% of intensive-care Chinese-virus cases are overweight or obese...” “...Take Vitamin D3 daily...” https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/09/but-is-it-really-no-worse-than-flu/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 How about you stop giving incorrect information. In Queensland I can legally fly from my private residence to another private residence as long as I adhere to the Queensland directive. I've posted the link before and here it is again.... Home Confinement, Movement and Gathering Direction | Queensland Health It's NOT a loophole, it is as per the directive. The post related to your query about VICTORIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 The post related to your query about VICTORIA [ATTACH type=full" alt="1586467133770.png]52168[/ATTACH] How about a cut and paste of of the Victorian ban on flying you keep talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 How about a cut and paste of of the Victorian ban on flying you keep talking about? The State and Territory Health permitted purposes for leaving home are all stated in the positive, i.e. they are telling you you may leave home for essential shopping etc. They haven't issued instructions to the negative because that would involve tens of thousands of different activities. Most people have understood that and are remaining at home; others didn't understand or choose to look for loopholes. The woman teaching her daughter to drive did not have an essential reason for leaving home. The Victorian Government confirmed this. A person teaching someone to fly is in an identical situation A person wanting to fly their own aircraft is also in an identical situation; it is not listed as a permitted purpose. It's all in the wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gearon Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Manitoba initially then take an aircraft across to Quebec for a months spraying spruce budworm. After that back to the prairies for a couple of months. Haven't given up yet. Good luck with that. My plans look shot. Which part of the prairies? The flat part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Them bad, bad, bad racist Taiwanese... “...The World Health Organization, unable to refute complaints about its response to the global coronavirus pandemic, built largely on its willingness to take Chinese government information at face value, is now calling its critics, particularly its Taiwanese critics, racists...” https://www.dailywire.com/news/world-health-organization-criticism-of-our-coronavirus-response-is-probably-racist . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 The State and Territory Health permitted purposes for leaving home are all stated in the positive, i.e. they are telling you you may leave home for essential shopping etc. They haven't issued instructions to the negative because that would involve tens of thousands of different activities. Most people have understood that and are remaining at home; others didn't understand or choose to look for loopholes. The woman teaching her daughter to drive did not have an essential reason for leaving home. The Victorian Government confirmed this. A person teaching someone to fly is in an identical situation A person wanting to fly their own aircraft is also in an identical situation; it is not listed as a permitted purpose. It's all in the wording. So are you trying to tell me that under the Queensland directive section 6 e subject to section 9 I can legally drive a car but not my aircraft? Can I ride my motorbike? What about the tractor?(if registered) You keep stating that I'm using a loophole. I'm travelling from my private residence to another private residence. I'm going direct and not stopping anywhere else. NOT A LOOPHOLE. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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