DrZoos Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Human factors are things like Avoiding alcohol prior to flyign and allowing enough time after a big night out to be sufficiently rested and hydrated, knowing how many drinks can be had and how long they take to get out of your system. The effects of drugs etc. Hydration and food to avoid dehydration, food poisoning, hunger, low blood pressure and sugar Stress management so that you fly with a clear head Following procedures so that you dont forget things...eg: having preflight check lists, following maintenance procedures, hanging tools back on peg boards so they done get left under the cowl, double checking you tightened bolts or reattached cables etc.. Flying in a safe manner , being courteous and not aggressive, knowing when to turn back, when pushing on is dangerous and not being a hero or crazy idiot Knowign how to avoid hypoxia, knowing what factors may cause you to have hypoxia at lower altitudes than someone else Knowing the signs of cardiac problems, food poisoning etc... Knowing your VMC minima prior to take off and having a plan for accident IMC Taking the right maps, checking you have paperwork, weight and balance calcs, good fuel calcs etc etc etc Basically anything where your body, or brain can make a mess of things. These can be things you do in the air or things during planning , maintenance or while taxiing and refueling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Well you are coming up with a lot of things. I'm not setting myself up as a judge. Good stuff.. Another ... IF you are getting angry in the air about someone ( something) snap out of that. Another...... Don't time your arrival at a place you haven't been to if you have to land into the sun.. And..... Don't assume your fuel hasn't been stolen when you leave your plane somewhere.. Don't work on your engine when someone is talking to you. I reckon an on line interactive programme could be produced if we were fair dinkum about this. Anyhow Education before Enforcement. The best way to avoid confusion is make the rules clear CASA and actually know WHY things happen as they do in a plane, when you are flying it. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 But CASA being run by ex-RAAF its all about using the big stick, not the carrot. And the RAA being run by flight instructors is all about bleeding money out of pilots. Its hard to see things changing without a change at the the top and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjr Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Not too sure medical issues feature highly in our accidents and be careful going there, CASA believes theres a solid process for reducing this.... Medicals. Videos are a great idea and would work well however having done a few are not cheap. Easy cost several thou each and process is slow. Members complain about costs of visit to airport and $5 vests. Total grant from CASA for this is $10K I read. Youve also got plenty here saying they cant download a pdf magazine so not sure a video is going to be a good tool overall but maybe form part of the mix Maybe as part of update email a single HF is investigated and discussed in a 1/2 page article. An important point is that we will never solve HF issues, just reduce them. Its likely accidents of all sorts involve one or more HF so it isnt necessary to analyse and define them. They are always there and not being aware of that is part of the problem. As Nev said they are even part of on ground activities even by others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Human Factors are a LARGE cause of accidents. It's a very cost effective way of improving things, if done properly. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZoos Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Videos are easy and cheap...Its the information in them that is vital, not the production skills. I produce instructional videos all the time, shoot them with my iphone and not even any lighting.. and any CASA or RAA member is capable of doing so.. Once they knew the content they could make edit and upload it in under an hour at no expense other than wages of that one person. They can than have it transcribed and the full transcript posted below the video. Those members that cant cope with this can have it emailed to them or even posted via snail mail. or the transcript can be placed in the monthly magazine. I also teach others how to do it ...it really is easy now, its the fastest cheapest and easiest method to produce engaging content. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The problem is the training and capabilities of the CASA staff are more attuned to "shock and awe" than "care and nurture". You don't get ahead in that culture making sensible compromises. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 If you said "declare and enforce" I would be 100% with you. Nurture? When you nurture things they grow. Can'[t have that. There's too many of those little dangerous things flying already. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The more I read, the more it sounds like airmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 And the RAA being run by flight instructors is all about bleeding money out of pilots. Really? Let me know how many have made a fortune out of it. Most are in it for the love of if and yes they have to survive. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 The more I read, the more it sounds like airmanship. Yes - airmanship, commonsense and rat cunning, all gained through experience. The idea of HF training is to accelerate the process by learning through other people's experience and mistakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Here's a link to an FAA video on Risk Management: http://www.faa.gov/tv/?mediaId=449 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZoos Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Why not go and do some of the RAAus practice questions and see if you do actually know about the current teachings on human factors ?? quiz 9 and 10 http://www.pilotpracticeexams.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Yes - airmanship, commonsense and rat cunning, all gained through experience. The idea of HF training is to accelerate the process by learning through other people's experience and mistakes. Accelerate the experience even faster, let everyone else go first, or let fools rush in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Really? Let me know how many have made a fortune out of it. Most are in it for the love of if and yes they have to survive. Doing it for love doesn't mean you are doing a good job, the RAA really lacks leadership. Look how well the high viz day went down. one recent change: RAA instructors are unable to instruct in #19 aircraft, one giant step forward for RAA safety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I think we know what it is, just not how to make it work Actually agree with that statement.....I've had to work with human factors training for years now. The concept is great, like LEAN, but woefully executed in Australia. It really has only been a box ticking, lip service process One suggestion would be a series of short videos that focus on known common problems and solutions... maybe 5 minutes each... mandate that you have to watch one or two every month... that way we stay current and they can supply us with crucial information that may just save our lives...If next month they discover lots of accidents are being caused by poor XYZ, they can alert us to the fact, require us to watch it and we all come out for the better... We dont need hundred thousand dollar hollywood productions , just the relevant information and a great solution In the marketing world we call them crunchy solutions...ie things that you can chew on, things that you immediately feel more empowered by...not theory. Eg: For clients with high blood pressure in stressful jobs we advise that they Take the steps at least two floors every time before getting in the elevator That they stand when on stressful phone calls and that they walk at least 200m every time they feel and adrenaline rush... There is an example of a known problem and three crunchy solutions completely disagree, this is exactly what makes it poorly executed, having suffered " death by PowerPoint", and short videos followed by group discussion for around 11 years now, it breeds contempt and hatred. Human factors has little to do with "airmanship" and a lot to do with understanding the "human" limitations like fatigue and distractions, and learning how to recognise and avoid them. The "Dirty Dozen" are often quoted. Feel free to google that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Doing it for love doesn't mean you are doing a good job, the RAA really lacks leadership. Look how well the high viz day went down.one recent change: RAA instructors are unable to instruct in #19 aircraft, one giant step forward for RAA safety. Agree the high viz thing was ridiculous. Only being able to instruct in factory aircraft has been in for a long time. The only exception is that the builder can be taught in his own aircraft. CASA though says the owner of a GA home built aircraft can be taught, even if he was not the builder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Agree the high viz thing was ridiculous. Only being able to instruct in factory aircraft has been in for a long time. The only exception is that the builder can be taught in his own aircraft. CASA though says the owner of a GA home built aircraft can be taught, even if he was not the builder. And why is there this exception, we may well wonder??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZoos Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Actually agree with that statement.....I've had to work with human factors training for years now. The concept is great, like LEAN, but woefully executed in Australia. It really has only been a box ticking, lip service processcompletely disagree, this is exactly what makes it poorly executed, having suffered " death by PowerPoint", and short videos followed by group discussion for around 11 years now, it breeds contempt and hatred. Human factors has little to do with "airmanship" and a lot to do with understanding the "human" limitations like fatigue and distractions, and learning how to recognise and avoid them. The "Dirty Dozen" are often quoted. Feel free to google that. I too hate death by powerpoint...and im not for a moment proposing that... Thats why i said...tell us the problem with crunchy instantly actionable solutions, less than 5 minutes and not theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I get most out of the crash comix stories and personal stories of near misses. I find that easy to relate to and tend to remember the lessons. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I too hate death by powerpoint...and im not for a moment proposing that... Thats why i said...tell us the problem with crunchy instantly actionable solutions, less than 5 minutes and not theory. Perhaps physically demonstrating the human limitations might be of some use. The gorilla demonstration, for example, is useful but it can only be used once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 In my suggestion, I did say interactive. Not just a matter of looking at "stuff". No pyramids. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjr Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 And why is there this exception, we may well wonder??? Because a non builder in VH has LAME maintained aircraft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 OME, this Bathurst driver just got fined $25,000 for calling a woman-crewed car a "pussy wagon". I thought it was quite good but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 http://www.flightsafetyaustralia.com/2015/10/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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