PLANE IN POWER LINES BALTIMORE 28/11/22

[red750]

[Blueadventures]

Wow.

[Geoff_H]

The cabin is intact.  Mooney's have a very high survivability. The cabin area is a steel space frame.  The tail is monocoque structure.  

[RFguy]

another gear up landing. gather the empenage buckled when the front of the airplane stopped.  cant imagine the passengers bodies faired well to the decel.

Edited November 28, 2022 by RFguy

[Blueadventures]

7 minutes ago, RFguy said:

another gear up landing. gather the empenage buckled when the front of the airplane stopped.  cant imagine the passengers bodies faired well to the decel.

I thought it may have been a heavy landing by an electric airplane at the charging station.

[onetrack]

That is one amazing crash effort. The elderly pilot and passengers aren't in too good a shape. High tension lines, too - they're darn lucky they didn't get electrocuted, HT current can jump 1.5M gaps.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/27/us/maryland-plane-crash-power-line.html#:~:text=A small plane crashed into a transmission tower in Maryland,the ground%2C the authorities said.

 

Edited November 28, 2022 by onetrack

[old man emu]

That'll teach him about flying short circuits.

[440032]

Some people would do anything to avoid a landing fee.

Looks like he got that one free of charge........

[Geoff_H]

With high voltage you never get electrocuted.  Electrons repel each other so the current flows over the outside of the skin not through the body as required for electrocution.  It does however create enormous heat and creates extre burns.  HV burns you.

[Geoff_H]

So if you stay in the cabin the electrons will flow through the skin of the aircraft.  Just don't touch two different parts of the skin as you may get a potential difference through your body and electrocute yourself.

[kgwilson]

Very reminiscent of the Ferris Wheel incident at Old Bar 10 years or so ago. No power then just people. 

[facthunter]

I think the Mooney was in fog. We probably should not be making jokes of it.. Nev

[BrendAn]

10 hours ago, RFguy said:

another gear up landing. gather the empenage buckled when the front of the airplane stopped.  cant imagine the passengers bodies faired well to the decel.

Technically they haven't really touched down yet. It's still in the air.😁

[old man emu]

9 hours ago, facthunter said:

We probably should not be making jokes of it

You are right, but you know our liking for gallows humour.

[KRviator]

1 hour ago, BrendAn said:

Technically they haven't really touched down yet. It's still in the air.😁

Gonna be one hell of a logbook entry!

[red750]

Video report on this accident

[GraemeK]

15 hours ago, kgwilson said:

Very reminiscent of the Ferris Wheel incident at Old Bar 10 years or so ago. No power then just people. 

My favourite pic from that accident:

 

 

[facthunter]

The Pylon has every right to be there. The Ferris wheel didn't. The Mooney was on approach in fog. The U/L was taking off in clear air.  There are lessons to be learned in both cases. Nev

[plugga]

Interesting that the ADSB data doesn't jibe with the actual height that the aircraft collected the powerlines at.  Finger trouble or misheard QNH when resetting to local?  It sounds as though he probably shouldn't have been trying to get in there, given the reported weather; whatever he's used up a lifetime's worth of luck in that little little exercise.

 

As to the Morgan at Old Bar, it was a botched go around from a downwind landing attempt after a prior touch n go.  Aside from the ferriswheel being within the runway splay, there is a further long list of ommissions and errors on the part of the pilot, training organisation and manufacturer, which contributed to to a good old military cluster.

Edited November 29, 2022 by plugga

[IBob]

plugga I believe the ADSB data has to be corrected for barometric pressure.

[plugga]

Mmm, that took me down a bit of a rabbit hole concerning the way flightaware et al obtain and interpret their data.  

[IBob]

plugga.....yep, been down that rabbit hole a while back, or one very similar, following an incident. At that time I queried FlightRadar24 as to their altitude data, which was labelled as 'calibrated altitude'. I got no sensible response as to what that was supposed to mean, but I see they have now clarified it some:
"Altitude For each flight tracked on Flightradar24 the calibrated altitude reported from the aircraft, which is a pressure-derived value, is displayed. ( Extended Mode S Data received from some aircraft also includes the GPS-derived altitude of the aircraft.)"

 

If further clarification is required, chase down the spec for ADS-B.

 

As for the incident, if you can run down the atmospheric pressure at the time and place, it's easy to make the correction.

Edited November 29, 2022 by IBob