turboplanner Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, facthunter said: I was comparing OLD stuff, Turbs. You quoted my post but obviously didn't read it. Nev You mean this one on the normal kind of heavy Ute? First Class Member 29.2k Aircraft: non pilot Location: New Gisborne Country: Australia Posted 1 hour ago The normal kind of heavy ute. Chev Dodge Ford etc would have needed a reconditioned engine by that ,mileage and plenty of tune ups Plugs and points. They put out puny power compared to this new stuff and just drink fuel. No power steering and pretty ordinary brakes. You just wouldn't drive one these days. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenaroo Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) replacement instead of reconditioning has been the go to for years, we live in a disposable society how many engine and transmission shops do you see now? its a lost art. I know when I was working with Jet-Ski's there was only a handful of guys left that could bore a cylinder block. and they weren't using new machines. only reason we were boring is new jugs weren't available look at what the guys in the USA are doing with Holley carburetors, bolt on fuel injection kits is now the go-to instead of a rebuild. as for pricing, that's where I used to earn my $$$ as a Parts Interpreter. a good guy can cross reference and get alternatives "same, same but different" Edited November 22, 2023 by spenaroo 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 There's plenty of clues there turbs If you had read it, that I'm referring to Old tech. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) Mechanics ! . Diagnosed a broken " valve spring " as " hole in the head " ..Nrma couldn't get a wheel off a " Commadore sedan ". Next doors Mazda had multiple flashing lights that didn't make sense on the ' obd2 unit ' so mechanic said , " it needs a new motor " . Actually needed NEW BATTERY TERMINALS. spacesailor Edited November 22, 2023 by spacesailor A I changed 'that' to ' the ' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenaroo Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, spacesailor said: Mechanics ! . Diagnosed a broken " valve spring " as " hole in the head " ..Nrma couldn't get a wheel off a " Commadore sedan ". Next doors Mazda had multiple flashing lights the didn't make sense on the ' obd2 unit ' so mechanic said , " it needs a new motor " . Actually needed NEW BATTERY TERMINALS. spacesailor technicians.... the wheel one is pretty common. plenty of people with special lug nuts - who have no idea why they give you a socket and don't leave it in the car My Ducat runs a 55mm double hex head (12 point) rear wheel nut.... not the easiest socket to find, only 2 local shops have one. (I know to call ahead and ask before booking it in - made a puncture repair last year an issue till I figured out who were the Ducati specialists in the area) Edited November 22, 2023 by spenaroo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 On 20/11/2023 at 5:12 PM, BrendAn said: i would not be too quick to write off ice engines. electric has a long long way to go to even come close to replacing them. that pipestral electric trainer is a good example. 140 kg in batteries and 25 minute flight times. 50 minutes PLUS 30 minutes reserve. Where do you get 25 minutes from? Also the weight is wrong ? Anyway rather than look it up, just make it up instead, its easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Just by . one litre = one kg = 140 litres of fuel . At 6 litres per hour , it equates to a loong full day's flying in my " Hummel bird " . LoL ( 22 hours ) spacesailor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, FlyBoy1960 said: 50 minutes PLUS 30 minutes reserve. Where do you get 25 minutes from? Also the weight is wrong ? Anyway rather than look it up, just make it up instead, its easier. its actually off the video i posted (insult removed). i didn't make anything up. Edited November 22, 2023 by BrendAn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, BrendAn said: its actually off the video i posted (insult removed). i didn't make anything up. Hi, (no insults) where is the video? Col Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 49 minutes ago, coljones said: Hi, (no insults) where is the video? Col I think I put it in the thread about the pipistrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BrendAn Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, BrendAn said: Last page of this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 11 hours ago, skippydiesel said: I was one - Flew for 10+ years using Speco engine gauges - they were great. In that time I replaced one gauge - no pain in the pocket. Chinese ASI, ALT, Compass, VS - US slip ball (tilt gauge) - all good. US transponder - cost a fortune to replace. Australian transceiver - Great (don't actually know it was made in AU) The reality is that for Day VFR, all the certified stuff is way over specified. speco . that brand brings back memories. remember when young blokes used to remove their 3 on the tree and fit a speco floorshift from repco. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 There is one at our airport and it does 50 minutes of circuits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 If the conditions were challenging, 50 minutes would be more than enough. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, facthunter said: If the conditions were challenging, 50 minutes would be more than enough. Nev The aircrafts purpose is abinitio training, remember there is no run-up, or warmup, you taxi straight to the run-up bay and do all of your talking for the upcoming flights with the engine basically off. It works out cheaper because you are not paying all of the ground time and warm up time. 50 minutes of circuits is basically 90 minutes in the aircraft for a pilot doing his first let's say 10 hours. For this mission and purpose I would say they are ideal. The other benefits are much lower operating costs although when you factor in battery replacement in reality it is only about 30% cheaper than a gasoline powered aircraft. The big benefit is reduced or almost zero noise impact at the airfield so you can start your circuits at sparrows fart and not wake up any of the locals. They are not perfect yet, far from it but they are certainly knocking on the door of the future. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Battery powered " Hot air " balloon " . I can't believe they are SO noisy with gas jets . spacesailor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenaroo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 question: how does an electric aircraft do PFL's I assume unlike a normal engine. the prop can be completely stopped as there is no "idle" setting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, FlyBoy1960 said: The aircrafts purpose is abinitio training, remember there is no run-up, or warmup, you taxi straight to the run-up bay and do all of your talking for the upcoming flights with the engine basically off. It works out cheaper because you are not paying all of the ground time and warm up time. 50 minutes of circuits is basically 90 minutes in the aircraft for a pilot doing his first let's say 10 hours. For this mission and purpose I would say they are ideal. The other benefits are much lower operating costs although when you factor in battery replacement in reality it is only about 30% cheaper than a gasoline powered aircraft. The big benefit is reduced or almost zero noise impact at the airfield so you can start your circuits at sparrows fart and not wake up any of the locals. They are not perfect yet, far from it but they are certainly knocking on the door of the future. That Swedish flying school may be limiting the flight time to 25 minutes because they need extra reserve for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 hours ago, FlyBoy1960 said: T The other benefits are much lower operating costs although when you factor in battery replacement in reality it is only about 30% cheaper than a gasoline powered aircraft. Battery technology and battery management systems have improved dramatically in the last few years. CATL the worlds largest battery manufacturer are saying that with appropriate battery management & conditioning the 64kWh battery in my EV should reach 1 million km before degrading to 80% of its original capacity. The car won't last that long. So if this technology is available for training aircraft then battery replacement will not be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 An electric motor has nothing to absorb energy unless it is in the regenerative function and may also have no reduction gearing, so you could practice what you like with it's switching. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, kgwilson said: Battery technology and battery management systems have improved dramatically in the last few years. CATL the worlds largest battery manufacturer are saying that with appropriate battery management & conditioning the 64kWh battery in my EV should reach 1 million km before degrading to 80% of its original capacity. The car won't last that long. So if this technology is available for training aircraft then battery replacement will not be an issue. batteries need to improve a lot yet. range and weight are the holy grail. i wouldn't like to be in an electric plane during a battery fire either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, BrendAn said: That Swedish flying school may be limiting the flight time to 25 minutes because they need extra reserve for some reason. the only thing I can think of is that extreme cold temperatures are reducing the flight time but I remember reading that if the battery was warm from being recharged then it had no effect on the endurance. If the battery had been recharged 3 days ago and the aircraft had been in subzero temperatures since then then yes they would be a reduction in the endurance. I don't imagine however any flying school leaving these outside for any length of time. Perhaps you mess read the article and it was 25 minutes in the training area or something like that. You can download the POH of the Internet, I did this some time ago and it was an interesting read with some new conceptual ideas on how to fly an aircraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenaroo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, facthunter said: An electric motor has nothing to absorb energy unless it is in the regenerative function and may also have no reduction gearing, so you could practice what you like with it's switching. Nev Hey that's a good point. does this mean we get reverse thrust by spinning it backwards on landing? maybe negating the extra weight of the batteries - compared to having burnt off fuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, FlyBoy1960 said: the only thing I can think of is that extreme cold temperatures are reducing the flight time but I remember reading that if the battery was warm from being recharged then it had no effect on the endurance. If the battery had been recharged 3 days ago and the aircraft had been in subzero temperatures since then then yes they would be a reduction in the endurance. I don't imagine however any flying school leaving these outside for any length of time. Perhaps you mess read the article and it was 25 minutes in the training area or something like that. You can download the POH of the Internet, I did this some time ago and it was an interesting read with some new conceptual ideas on how to fly an aircraft It was in the video that you must not have looked at. Now I misread an article. Last week you said I made it up. I will block you . I suggest you do the same to me. See ya. Edited November 27, 2023 by BrendAn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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