facthunter Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 You are Not even close. You did miss so much. Never stop learning. It's MY avatar and I'm still doing it. LEARNING I don't DO the "It's for ME to know and you to find out" Bit. Never have and I LISTEN to people but as I warned a fair while ago ,the results of MY psychological profile on A Cockpit resources 4 day live in, course stated "I don't suffer FOOLS gladly" and I think that was spot on.. I'm not saying this is applicable to you but I'm pretty sure you would take it as so based on your previous unwillingness after asking numerous questions to accept any of my fullsome replies but instead enter into Such unwarranted responses as the Above is typical of. I can't and don't wish to Hide what I've been lucky enough to have been exposed and benefitted from to I'm not alone in having what amounts to a ridiculous amount of costly training I've been exposed to and feel somewhat obliged to pass on what I can. Others have had similar and in a lot of Cases MORE It's in the millions of dollars over a career when you are flying a 300 ton plane which is only there to train one or two people at a time the bill adds up fast. Simulators with the Tech and other crew required to Operate them cost above 6000$.Hour. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 Speaking of sweaty nightmares, years ago when I gave up flying for a while, I used to have a repeated dream where I was flying from France to England over the channel then would suddenly remember halfway that I didn't have a current licence. I cured it by going back and getting current! Still have never flown in France or England. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On this forum is the first time I've admitted publicly that I Get PTSD.. We whinge about CASA restrictions but the DCA permitted some pretty Hairy operations in Places like PNG. PK Performance charts Just allowed AUW increase of near 10% . . None of the early planes Had de icing worthy of the NAME. Operate to Cocos "KEELING" Island from Ph with 2 hours "Island Holding rate" fuel reserve. which would take you NOWHERE that you could land. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 And now it seems the Skyranger has joined Foxbat on the suicide frontline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 On 07/04/2024 at 11:25 AM, facthunter said: You are Not even close. You did miss so much. Never stop learning. It's MY avatar and I'm still doing it. LEARNING I don't DO the "It's for ME to know and you to find out" Bit. Never have and I LISTEN to people but as I warned a fair while ago ,the results of MY psychological profile on A Cockpit resources 4 day live in, course stated "I don't suffer FOOLS gladly" and I think that was spot on.. I'm not saying this is applicable to you but I'm pretty sure you would take it as so based on your previous unwillingness after asking numerous questions to accept any of my fullsome replies but instead enter into Such unwarranted responses as the Above is typical of. I can't and don't wish to Hide what I've been lucky enough to have been exposed and benefitted from to I'm not alone in having what amounts to a ridiculous amount of costly training I've been exposed to and feel somewhat obliged to pass on what I can. Others have had similar and in a lot of Cases MORE It's in the millions of dollars over a career when you are flying a 300 ton plane which is only there to train one or two people at a time the bill adds up fast. Simulators with the Tech and other crew required to Operate them cost above 6000$.Hour. Nev i have already said you should write a book or at least document some of your knowledge. it would be interesting reading. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 15 hours ago, Garfly said: And now it seems the Skyranger has joined Foxbat on the suicide frontline. ukraine have foxbats, we have combat wombat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted April 8 Author Share Posted April 8 My previous post suggesting 350kg of explosive with standard fuel tanks seems to be right. With that extended range the payload would be 300 kg. A friend tells me the standard autopilot will get the drone to within a few metres of target if GPS is available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 And now there is already chatter on US based sites by conspiracy theorists of the heightened risks that light planes pose on US soil if they are loaded up with bad stuff. Here we go again. ASIC part 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippydiesel Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 None of this is new - Sonex developed a "drone" version of its popular homebuilt about 2 years ago. Externally identical, except that the cockpit are featured no transparent "skin". Attention: Politicians wishing to jump on this non existent bandwagon - A bad person(s) would first have to steal/build the potential drone. Convert it in a hidden workshop, alongside an airfield (could be private) Test fly, without anyone noticing this over large drone. Rough estimate 6 - 24 months of development before loading with explosives. My guess if the baddies want to go down this route, they would just go and purchase a commercially available drone, fly it from a nearby car park or similar open space, adjacent to the target and do the deed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) Not really. Just buy half Finnished homebuilt aircraft . I know a finished Hummel , that will make a smashing drone . There were 16 builders, at the height of the Hummel-Bird Craze . Were are those unfinished drones . spacesailor Edited April 9 by spacesailor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 brendan I have been documenting it....HERE I don't think it will fly. nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I think we have less and less people who are interested in detail. We used to have people here who designed and built Planes and would talk to us. Now "where the fugarethey" Hands up those who built model planes. Where have we come from and are going to? Trouble is we are in the air and share it and it that's not well done everything else is of no consequence. You will most likely have a big scare and decide to do something else. Probably weather elated because there's a lot of that to spread around.. Then it gets BACK to why am I spending all this dough when it's NOT really THAT much fun.. IF none of this is relevant to your circumstances FINE and Bully for You. (remember that one.? If you do you're probably. too old to be flying. . Climbing mountains skiing robbing banks selling your body etc And there you have it. Nev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, spacesailor said: ................... a finished Hummel , that will make a smashing drone . ....................................... spacesailor no pun intended I assume spacesailor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 13 minutes ago, facthunter said: I think we have less and less people who are interested in detail. We used to have people here who designed and built Planes and would talk to us. Now "where the fugarethey" Hands up those who built model planes. Where have we come from and are going to? Trouble is we are in the air and share it and it that's not well done everything else is of no consequence. You will most likely have a big scare and decide to do something else. Probably weather elated because there's a lot of that to spread around.. Then it gets BACK to why am I spending all this dough when it's NOT really THAT much fun.. IF none of this is relevant to your circumstances FINE and Bully for You. (remember that one.? If you do you're probably. too old to be flying. . Climbing mountains skiing robbing banks selling your body etc And there you have it. Nev good points. i have built and flown rc models but wouldn't trust myself to build a fullsize . i have tried selling my body at a heavily discounted rate but no takers😁. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I didn't go the RC way. The costs were approaching that of a real tigermoth from Fawcet at Camden if I recall correctly. They had them with a NEW engine or with hours to run at about 1/2 the figure Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I was an R/C builder - and did a few original designs, all of which flew, some briefly but the later ones well. In fact I had a shed cleanout a year or so ago and took a couple of my planes to the tip. The wings were damaged so I broke them up, but just threw the fuselages out as is (minus engines and radio gear). I was in the tip shop the other day, had a wander round outside, and blow me down - there's one of my fuselages sitting out in the weather with $30 price tag on it! They're dreaming, it's covered balsa with a nosewheel and no wing. I just gave a box of R/C engines (0.25ci to 0.90ci) to the neighbour who's letting me park the 701 in his shed. His boys are into aircraft, rocketry and all the good stuff. Mine aren't unfortunately - I must have made planes uncool. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 11 hours ago, skippydiesel said: None of this is new - Sonex developed a "drone" version of its popular homebuilt about 2 years ago. Externally identical, except that the cockpit are featured no transparent "skin". Attention: Politicians wishing to jump on this non existent bandwagon - A bad person(s) would first have to steal/build the potential drone. Convert it in a hidden workshop, alongside an airfield (could be private) Test fly, without anyone noticing this over large drone. Rough estimate 6 - 24 months of development before loading with explosives. My guess if the baddies want to go down this route, they would just go and purchase a commercially available drone, fly it from a nearby car park or similar open space, adjacent to the target and do the deed. This is all wrong. There would have to be a large percentage of do bad terrorists out there that want to enjoy the added experience of building their own drone the way they think a drone should be built; opening the box for the first time; laying out all the bits across the lounge room floor; running off to bunnings or aldi aerospace to purchase missing pieces; arguing with the wife that it always looks the same pile of metal each time she looks at it week after week year after year; packing up and moving the entire build to new premises because landlord sold the property; cease and desist letters from council about industrial noise at 2am; cutting out side of the house to push finished drone out into front yard for engine testing; waiting eight and a half years for lockdowns to finish before flying drone mission into building only to realise target has retired from office to tropical tax haven island two days before end of lockdown... Gotta be high percentage out there of ones that enjoy the journey!! 🤷🏼♂️ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 All that and they crash in test flying (because of the use of aforementioned BunnAero parts). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 most of my model aeroplanes crashed . repeatedly. Except one . A fairly big 707 delta-wing , that my big brother had put a large banger inside . Jetex powered it went great , then bang , no plane & no Jetex motor. not happy spacesailor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area-51 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, spacesailor said: most of my model aeroplanes crashed . repeatedly. Except one . A fairly big 707 delta-wing , that my big brother had put a large banger inside . Jetex powered it went great , then bang , no plane & no Jetex motor. not happy spacesailor Jetex were never meant to return home; carry over miniature buzz bomb engines from nazi german assault on england, or neighbouring suburb.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Area-51 said: This is all wrong. There would have to be a large percentage of do bad terrorists out there that want to enjoy the added experience of building their own drone the way they think a drone should be built; opening the box for the first time; laying out all the bits across the lounge room floor; running off to bunnings or aldi aerospace to purchase missing pieces; arguing with the wife that it always looks the same pile of metal each time she looks at it week after week year after year; packing up and moving the entire build to new premises because landlord sold the property; cease and desist letters from council about industrial noise at 2am; cutting out side of the house to push finished drone out into front yard for engine testing; waiting eight and a half years for lockdowns to finish before flying drone mission into building only to realise target has retired from office to tropical tax haven island two days before end of lockdown... Gotta be high percentage out there of ones that enjoy the journey!! 🤷🏼♂️ Hilarious, you need to tie this post into the never ending story😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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