Oscar Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Update channel 7 , 6 o'clock news. Aircraft flew to Nth Stradbroke Is only. On the return leg to Archerfield, the engine failed . Also they said that it will not be rebuilt. I guess 2 crashes in a year is enough. Anybody know the Insurance company? I specialise in rebuilding totalled Jabs..... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andys@coffs Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I wouldn't get too excited yet, be very surprised if the insurance company has made that determination yet....may well be that the FTF has decided which would be fine if it was their decision to make...alas.....it generally isn't Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOCET Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Channel 10 news was just on.Apparently they went from Archerfield to Stradbroke Is ( not sure whether they went the Nth Stradbroke or continued onto Sth Stradbroke) any who, 10 are saying that they reported engine problems. They didn't go into specifics. Good chance it had too much air in the carby going by the above posts. Anybody know the Insurance company? I specialise in rebuilding totalled Jabs..... Jabiru will most probably do the work , keeps those lads at south park bissy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggles Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 6.00pm Win news Brisbane stated that the cause of the accident was due to "fuel starvation ". Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Well, dang - and here's me, with an ice-cream container, a paddlepop stick, a litre of LC3600 and some e-glass all ready to go... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOCET Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 :victory:I Well, dang - and here's me, with an ice-cream container, a paddlepop stick, a litre of LC3600 and some e-glass all ready to go... isnt it great ! That's all you need to specialise in jab rebuilds ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 At 7.30 this morning, in Brisbane it was 9.8C and 72% humidity, dew point 5C. Descent power.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 :victory:Iisnt it great ! That's all you need to specialise in jab rebuilds ! Well, that and the instructions from the guy who did the structural validation of the airframe, did the factory builds for some years, runs a CASA-approved 'glass shop... oh, and having held a DoT 'glass repair approval (and a CoA issuing approval) probably means I have a wee bit of prior experience. But nothing beats taking test coupons and having them meet the requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Pretty much the same as when you do brain surgery under instructions from the brain surgeon. This one looks very similar to one that ripped off a wing after hitting a shipping container and that one was rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOCET Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Well, that and the instructions from the guy who did the structural validation of the airframe, did the factory builds for some years, runs a CASA-approved 'glass shop... oh, and having held a DoT 'glass repair approval (and a CoA issuing approval) probably means I have a wee bit of prior experience. But nothing beats taking test coupons and having them meet the requirements. Are you saying you used to do factory builds ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Thats dead right Turbs. If you need brain surgery, see a brain surgeon. You could also see the local butcher as they both cut meat, but the brain surgeon is likely to have a beter outcome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOCET Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Pretty much the same as when you do brain surgery under instructions from the brain surgeon.This one looks very similar to one that ripped off a wing after hitting a shipping container and that one was rebuilt. So was mine , ripped off wing , replaced , new fuse , plus bitts they are very rebuildable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rankamateur Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Are you saying you used to do factory builds ?? No but he has talked to a bloke who used to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 More or less correct - I do what the guy who did the stuff to certify the airframe tells me to do. Then I test it to meet the requirements he gives me for testing. Then he writes an EO. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreywh Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 does he have any fuel? ( avgas only please) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I was wondering why there was no fire when the wing got ripped off. Good bit of planning to not have any fuel on board when doing an out landing. I wrote a letter this morning to a Board a Member saying enough with Jab engines! Casually wipes egg off face . . . 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVOCET Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I was wondering why there was no fire when the wing got ripped off.Good bit of planning to not have any fuel on board when doing an out landing. I wrote a letter this morning to a Board a Member saying enough with Jab engines! Casually wipes egg off face . . . In my prang , the right wing was torn off , the left wing strut sheared , full fuel and non of the electrics turned off before impact , when I regained consciousness , 40 mins later the fuel pumps were rattling away and my first thought was fire get out , which I did . The two battery's are up the front and all wiring goes up through the centre consul , the tree went through the passenger seat and by the grace of God only took out the censer wires , and left the power cables intact .the impact missed the battery's . Just a thought Don , it seams easier to write about it now , but at the time I kept getting hassled by raa to write an accident report , even when I had my right arm in a sling . I spose I could have got someone to write it for me , but at the time I didn't really feel like talking about it . So I just scribbled out the most basic info to shut them up . Just saying . Mike 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank marriott Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Maybe the board should release such letters, could be grounds for a class action against the author. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyknots Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Lighten up people! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 What go,s up must come down Jabs just seem to do it more often away from airfields lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Just a thought Don , it seams easier to write about it now , but at the time I kept getting hassled by raa to write an accident report , even when I had my right arm in a sling . I spose I could have got someone to write it for me , but at the time I didn't really feel like talking about it .So I just scribbled out the most basic info to shut them up . Very understandable. An accident like that must be truly traumatic and allowances should be made, also, some of us might br good at writing reports and some very good at designing and building unique, innovative aircraft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Is this a joke? If as it seems, the Jab engine stopped due to fuel starvation, the joke was on me - and I was the one relating the joke. If not I will write one to them board members too about Rotax motors and ford cars I have gad enough ofthe both of them! Happy to give you support on the Ford cars. :-) As regards Rotax, I have good reason to believe a sensibly maintained Rotax 912 will make it to and probably well beyond its TBO of 2,000 hours. From what I've seen I would not have that level of confidence in any Jabiru engine. I'm not saying that Rotax engines never fail but I have reasons to suspect my chances of never losing an engine in flight are better with a Rotax than a Jabiru. My concern though and what I wrote about was the fact that even though there no serious injuries to people in the aircraft or on the ground, the incident should be treated no less seriously than a double fatality with the potential to have killed or injured many on the ground. Clearly, the skill and judgement of the pilot plus a measure of good luck went the pilot's way but it could have been extremely serious. IF, I repeat, *If* the forced landing had been required due to a design fault in the engine or substandard components or sub standard manufacturing then the manufacturer would deserve to be taken to task by CASA and required to rectify such faults. Nothing too illogical there? Every member of RAA is entitled to ask a Board Member a question or make a polite suggestion. Not hard to find their email address in the Magazine. Feel free to write what you like about anything that concerns you. As for defamation Frank, it requires that the statement is both unkind and untrue. If it is my opinion, it can not be untrue. It may be technically wrong but it is truly my opinion. As a member of RAA you are entitled by the Constitution to go to Canberra and ask to see anything that they have on file. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 My perception of Jab engine reliability was perhaps warped by my CFI's (also L2) four jab engines that didn't make TBO. After that experienced he put a Rotax in his J160 and what a delight it was. Expensive up front but probably not in the long run. If Jabiru offered a Rotax engine option they would be unbeatable in the Aussie market and perhaps around the world. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabiru Phil Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 My perception of Jab engine reliability was perhaps warped by my CFI's (also L2) four jab engines that didn't make TBO. My L2 has a Jab. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluespot Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Article in this mornings Courier mail quotes RAA"chief" Michael Line as saying "we've written to (CASA) about this particular type of aircraft, so we've advised them that (crashes) have happened once too often" He also said that they ( RAA) had safety concerns about Jabirus before yesterday's ìncident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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