facthunter Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I worked on asbestos houses, truck brakes, aemy ducks and the bigger( GMC 6x6 based ones and the brakes lasted no time in salt) general engine rebuilding with all asbestos head gaskets (between copper) Dusting out the brakes with compressed air you couldn't see your self . There's no doubt it's dangerous but We are probably going overboard, on a lot of occasions. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I worked on asbestos houses, truck brakes, aemy ducks and the bigger( GMC 6x6 based ones and the brakes lasted no time in salt) general engine rebuilding with all asbestos head gaskets (between copper) Dusting out the brakes with compressed air you couldn't see your self . There's no doubt it's dangerous but We are probably going overboard, on a lot of occasions. Nev I am sure Bernie Bantin thought the same thing in his younger days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Some people stayed only a few hours at Wittenoom. People still live there, but I'm NOT advocating lack of care Just proportionality. I wouldn't demolish a house with it in, without all the precautions, for any money.. Nev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchroll Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Mesothelioma is not dose related. Asbestosis is dose related. In other words, depending on which asbestos related disease you're referring to, there may be no "minimum" fibre inhalation level below which you're safe. This is why people are pretty wary of even small amounts (and sure, it's low risk if the fibres are still clearly bound, but not if the binding material is damaged). And some people who worked with asbestos and never had problems are just lucky, like the occasional person who smokes their whole life and lives to 90. It's a roll of the dice. Feeling lucky today? Bears careful consideration....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Onsite investigation delayed due to asbestos in the engine compartment. This will become the problem with carbon fibre aircraft also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Mesothelioma is not dose related. Asbestosis is dose related.In other words, depending on which asbestos related disease you're referring to, there may be no "minimum" fibre inhalation level below which you're safe. This is why people are pretty wary of even small amounts (and sure, it's low risk if the fibres are still clearly bound, but not if the binding material is damaged). And some people who worked with asbestos and never had problems are just lucky, like the occasional person who smokes their whole life and lives to 90. It's a roll of the dice. Feeling lucky today? Bears careful consideration....... I have no problem with appropriate care, but this (the B206 thing) heads in the direction of the OH&S gone ridiculous thread. I have seen an acquaintance in the final stages of one the above mentioned diseases. Yes it isn't a nice thing. Makes my angry when people smoke, but will bitch about asbestos, because the end result is still the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSCBD Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 This will become the problem with carbon fibre aircraft also. Please expand??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Please expand??? Okay, we're puffing out our cheeks. Um. Why are we doing this, again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 This will become the problem with carbon fibre aircraft also. Please expand??? T h i s w i l l b e c o m e t h e p r o b l e m w i t h c a r b o n f i b r e n n a i r c r a f t a l s o . 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Hmm that was a fail....... I put a few spaces between the words but they seem to have automatically been reduced to one space when posted! Anyway was just trying to be funny, I saw a test answer in mathematics that was similar. They were asked to eland on a problem and had done exactly that just increasing the space bête all the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Please expand??? The problems with carbon fibre. http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjnpevMn7DKAhXJupQKHSQHCkcQFgg2MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationfirejournal.com%2Faviation%2Flibrary%2FVOL6-Hazards.pdf&usg=AFQjCNE5qdcHwIWwI68fALLarOZJDuOE6g&bvm=bv.112064104,d.dGo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsor68 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Some people stayed only a few hours at Wittenoom. People still live there, but I'm NOT advocating lack of care Just proportionality. I wouldn't demolish a house with it in, without all the precautions, for any money.. Nev Because of the "OH&S gone mad" white socks brigade they still do regularly. Last one I saw was outside a maternity ward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozbear Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I can't recall where asbestos was ever used in that area, unless it's part of some gasket. Big deal. Nev Most probably fuel line fire sleeves would be my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Can't recall seeing such items. The fuel lines aren't near anything very hot. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozbear Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Can't recall seeing such items. The fuel lines aren't near anything very hot. Nev Maybe not Nev I was just generalising . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarly Gnu Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Please expand??? Once carbon fibre is burnt safety / rescue people tend to avoid it due to health risk from the tiny free fibres. Not on the same level as asbestos but apparently potentially quite dangerous to the respiratory system none the less. It's been discussed here before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Knight Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Hi all, What's the latest on Ryan? Nice young guy whom I met at Jamestown just prior to his accident. Certainly is a shock when you know one or two of those involved. Hope his on the mend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 The problems with carbon fibre. http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjnpevMn7DKAhXJupQKHSQHCkcQFgg2MAQ&url=http://www.aviationfirejournal.com/aviation/library/VOL6-Hazards.pdf&usg=AFQjCNE5qdcHwIWwI68fALLarOZJDuOE6g&bvm=bv.112064104,d.dGo The short version.....We don't think carbon fibre is hazardous, but we're not sure, as haven't done enough studies to be really certain, so wear ppe in situations that can result in fibre inhalation, oh and don't breathe the smoke from burning resin matrices, because that will really do some damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 The cowl in the exhaust area may have a lining of asbestos. Take a note, a couple years ago i was diagnosed with COPD. After a mis diagnosis of Asthma. I was a smoker for quite a few years. Stopped 5 years before this happened. I also had some exposure to asbestos during several different jobs. I was also a spray painter for many years working in various different types from lacquers to heavy carcinogenic two paks that are banned now. I lived in heavily polluted cities from time to time. And worked around turbine and jet aircraft for a long time also. For all my life i was fit, healthy and very active. Now most of it is as a spectator. Creeps up on you and then hits you for six. Took quite a while to work out what exactly was wrong with me. Cancer was top of the list for a bit as i lost almost 20kg in a short while. After many hours of discussion with specialists and test upon test and a bronchotomy biopsy that went wrong and put me in ICU for a week we worked out that one of the biggest contributors was the unburnt hydrocarbons of jet fuel. The other is it may also be linked generically as while doing the family tree flues and respiratory problems have a history in one side of the family. So for some it may be a good time to reconsider both lifestyle and employment choices whilst still young. For others it may be too late so go for broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Maybe some modern cowls use fibre glass replacing the original alloy sheet and need more heat protection. It's been a long time since asbestos was allowed in any new design(s). Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Knight Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Hi all, I just surfed around but cannot see any 'Posts' or info on Ryan. Hope is on the mend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ozzie Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Comment on Paul Bennet Airshows Face Book wishing Ryan a happy birthday. Accompanying photo of Ryan in a wheelchair with family at side. He is on the mend and out of hospital. https://www.facebook.com/airshows/?fref=ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Knight Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Cheers Ozzie - yes I wondering how he was going. As I said I met him at Jamestown and have read his book. We took him up for a ride up in the Antinov at Jamestown. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 On site investigation completed, there were camera's rolling inside the cockpit http://atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2015/aair/ao-2015-150.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Having cameras recording video and sound will make this and any investigation much more thorough. The video could show pilot inputs, instrument indications and any structural failure. The sound gives a good indication of engine problems or otherwise. Let's hope CASA can see the positives and makes it easier to fit small cameras to all aircraft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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