facthunter Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Standover tactics are not limited to Unions. However that doesn't make the idea right, or acceptable. The stupid system where you have to create a crisis to get negotiations on a new award are ridiculous. The Ambit claims are always over the top and get adjusted RAPIDLY when things start to move, and people sit down across the table. The bosses and the Unions understand that. If one side starts out with the aim of destroying the unions it's hardly likely to be a constructive relationship. If the unions wanted to destroy the employers business that would be very counterproductive wouldn't it? You end up with no jobs. Bosses "associations " always oppose an upward movement of the minimum wage when in reality it's only generally maintaining a fixed relationship with wages in general. You can't live on the minimum wage very well if you can at all. In the USA you have the working poor where even a couple each working 2 jobs can't get by. That doesn't seem like a system with any future in the social justice area. Just causes more very costly incarceration and unrest. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Red It's NOT a large debt by comparison with any comparable economies. There's plenty of actual figures out there on tax rates and % of GDP. The debt has grown significantly lately (they still are blaming Labor) and the trend is not good. Hardly the time to give the top end of town a tax break and make the poor pay more which is what has been happening under the LNP. WE have people sleeping in the streets of Melbourne now and it's a disgrace while a larger % of people own multiple homes for investment all the time. I was talking to someone today who knows builders erecting these tiny five on one block townhouses for about $400,000 each and they are rolling in money, and laughing , Tomorrows slums. No room to move, or grow a tree. Matchstick tickky tacky houses. Little boxes (as the song goes) and cars , tradies vehicles parked everywhere so you can't get along the streets, if some ones's coming the other way. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Heavy Dependence on China is bad long term, Gas and Coal are in a slump and Iron ore isn't a lot better. Nev Gunna get worse. It's not "reliance" on China, China just happens to be the biggest customer - of a product going out of favour. Most of our clients will eventually stop buying, it's when, not if, and it's happening right now in chunks. People of Australia need to stop pretending that it's going to last forever, one of the reasons I'm angry about losing manufacturing - we can't all run coffee shops. Hardly the time to give the top end of town a tax break and make the poor pay more which is what has been happening under the LNP. Link to articles of the ALP while in power raising tax on top end not showing .... Seriously, I wish you blokes would stop the nonsensical comparison of ALP and Lib, they are the same dinner jacket, different coloured tie. Red It's NOT a large debt by comparison with any comparable economies. Why should it be when you have asset to back up your debt despite all the bullshot bank loans of multiples of people's real assets. The USA fell worst because of how much "future value" they had written on paper, not material asset, in fact the reason it all happened at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Not unlike 1929. It was "junk" bonds then and went till the second world war when "Lend Lease" made America an economic powerhouse and sent Britain broke. Debt as currency is a bit of a conflict in terms , because its value is hard to accurately assess and can be zero. Misrepresentation was a big part of the problem and banks exist to make huge salaries for the CEO's and enough for the shareholders to shut them up, and keep paying the CEOs more than God would be worth.. The Customers are the fodder the system feeds on . Even real money in a bank is not safe now the way it's structured. Banksters of the World Unite. There is nothing to Fear but Scrutiny. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cscotthendry Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Hmmm, I think I've seen that pose before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Trump fish picture That's nice Red, but what's your opinion on Trump's "zero tax" on individuals earning less than $25,000 and/or couples less than $50,000 to stimulate micro-economics and less cost/time for company's employing those people to process their paperwork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 Don't know what the situation in the States is, Bex, but as you probably already know, the tax-free threshold in Aus is $18,200, or $700 per fortnight. As my pension is $658.20 per fortnight I pay no tax. Everyone gets the first $18,200 tax free, they only pay tax on the excess. ie. Earn $50,000 pay tax on $31,800. Don't know how this aligns with Donald's policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Don't know what the situation in the States is, Yup, thousands of memes and disparaging "he's a nutcase" type comments all over the net, but no real discussion happening. I had a friend sitting next to me in a bar here a few weeks ago and commented about "Trump the nutcase", I asked why and he didn't have a clue why, very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 The reason he's a nutcase is not because of the one or two policies he has that do make sense (ie the one you trot out above) - it's because of all the others that make no sense at all (kick out the Mexicans, kick out the muslims, build a wall) - plus all the other bombast and rhetoric which have no policy at all behind them (I'M going to make America great again. I will stop crime. etc) His two biggest fans are Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un. Even if he wasn't a nutjob in his own right, that should give the US population pause. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 it's because of all the others that make no sense at all - kick out the Mexicans, kick out the Muslims, - . He never said these things. Wall . Like One Nation and the licence picture thing, I'm not sure what the "Fence" thing is about, there already is a fence there. His two biggest fans are Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un. Even if he wasn't a nutjob in his own right, that should give the US population pause. WHAT? Russia - Trump said: he pledged to promote “easing of tensions and improved relations with Russia,” (one of) Russia response; “Clinton’s credo is to strengthen US alliances against Russia; Trump’s credo is only to respond to real threats. Aggressive banality versus common sense.” Nth Korea - Trump said: If you look at North Korea – this guy, he’s like a maniac, OK? And you have to give him credit. How many young guys — he was like 26 or 25 when his father died — take over these tough generals, and all of a sudden — you know, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it. How does he do that? Even though it is a culture and it’s a cultural thing, he goes in, he takes over, and he’s the boss. It’s incredible. He wiped out the uncle. He wiped out this one, that one. I mean, this guy doesn’t play games. And we can’t play games with him. Because he really does have missiles. And he really does have nukes but he would have “no problem speaking to [Kim]” as president of the United States. Nth Korea response; State media has praised US presidential hopeful Donald Trump, describing him as a “wise politician” and “far-sighted candidate” who could help unify the Korean peninsula. Gee whiz, maybe Russia and Nth Korea, and China, Iran, etc for that matter, have had a gutful of being threatened all the time with a military course that makes many people connected with US Military very wealthy people at the expense of everybody else, including lives. More and more Americans themselves are starting to question the whole "World Police" thing. And shock, horror, Trump is likely going to cut military spending and actually invest those cuts into the country. I agree there's plenty to make fun of Trump about, but might be best to fact check first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSCBD Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 So anyway we live in Australia that has poor government and pollies anyway, but nothing compared to what the Americans have. So on one hand Clinton left the White House and since that time has a $2 billion foundation all whilst Hillary was elected and Secretary of State - stinks to high heaven to start with. Trump his father gave him 1 million bucks and supposedly he is now worth 10 billion or whatever more than I can count anyway on property deals which is usually a knife fighting business anyway. The US election has shown how corrupt the land of the free democratic elections are. The Americans and have only two choices basically the same as we do here in Australia. So if we assume Clinton is OBAMA 2.0 then we can assume that Hillary will spend over $1 trillion a year in debt as Obama has done which will put their debt of around $25 trillion by the end of her first term-ish. Now all the financial gurus say 25 trillion in debt will make America a third world country and bankrupt. No ifs and buts. And the rest of the world follows. And with all the other Crooked Hillary dealings that you hear of would you go near her with a barge pole. Oh and by the way will probably see Bill’s sneaking in some Viagra to the White House if he is in as first gent. Now trump on the other hand winds up the local rednecks wants to free up the economy and wants to renegotiate all the trade deals that have been disastrous for the world over including Australia. Remember he also did 14 seasons of your fired The Apprentice, and knows how to play to a TV audience all day long. So yes he does want to build a wall, he does want to throw out 11 million illegal Mexicans that are taking American jobs and he wants to ban Syrian refugees to until they can do background check on them. By the way why do we lock all our refugees and illegals trying to enter by boat on an island or another country I did watch his children speak and they are certainly not dumb or stupid, so trump has a perfect family that reflects very well on the way they were brought up. So the question is for us aussies on the sideline that don’t count but is certainly commenting on it all if you had to choose between the two, Clinton or Trump and you had to pick one of them which one???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 It's funny how the only ones who recognise Trump as a worthy leader of the U.S., also just happen to be the most erratic and dangerous people around - the NK military - who also view unquestioning, dictatorial-leader-worship, as the ideal method of Govt. What amazes me is how no-one has pinned Trump on his policies - mostly because he doesn't have any. He believes in policy-on-the-run, divide-and-conquer, abuse of opponents, and rapid-backtracking on statements, as hallmarks of a fabulous leader. He cannot produce a firm policy and direction statement on anything of major importance that any previous President has been unable to solve. The greatest self-promoting statement that reveals the level of his BS - which BS, I'm firmly of the opinion, he actually believes - is his statement that the day after he is elected, "Beginning on 20th January 2017, safety (in the U.S.) will be restored (to all its citizens)!" Stupid Donald Trump Quotes 2016 Full text: Donald Trump 2016 RNC draft speech transcript Maybe if Trump produced a worthy policy outline on how to reduce the number of easily-accessed, billion-plus firearms that the U.S. is currently awash in, one could actually imagine he did have some method of attacking the gun violence problem that plagues America. I can predict one thing with great certainty - even if Trump is elected President, the safety of the average American will not improve, and neither will U.S. gun-violence reduce, one iota. Mostly because Trump has no worthwhile ideas on how to reduce U.S. firearm violence. He will be no different to any other U.S. President, they are totally unable to deal with rabid "2nd Amendment" protesters, nor can they deal with the "untouchable" firearms industry, or its well-financed arm, the NRA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 So the question is for us aussies on the sideline that don’t count but is certainly commenting on it all if you had to choose between the two, Clinton or Trump and you had to pick one of them which one???? Pffft. Not even a choice. Clinton, every time. And I don't even like her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 So the question is for us aussies on the sideline that don’t count but is certainly commenting on it all if you had to choose between the two, Clinton or Trump and you had to pick one of them which one???? Well neither is the logical answer but since that's not going to happen and that they are the only choice, Trump based purely on I believe he will cut military spending and actually try to get somethings started in his country, bumbling along as it may be, while leaving the rest of the world alone more so than Clinton will. It's funny how the only ones who recognise Trump as a worthy leader of the U.S., also just happen to be the most erratic and dangerous people around - the NK military - who also view unquestioning, dictatorial-leader-worship, as the ideal method of Govt. That's what I thought about China, and many still do, until I actually came here and learnt it was all bullshot, not that I actually know anything about the DRPK, and neither do you. But I wonder how you would feel if your arch enemy, Sth Korea in this case, constantly had the US playing war games just off your shoreline constantly year around. It's not hard to imagine that they would actually be pleased to hear a potential President elect saying he would enter into talks with them after years of being poked and riddled. Some forget or don't know that Kim is Western educated. US-South Korea military drills to proceed despite North Korea's warning It's hard to comprehend that anybody on this planet wouldn't like to see some resolve in this area. What amazes me is how no-one has pinned Trump on his policies - mostly because he doesn't have any. Stupid Donald Trump Quotes 2016 What amazes me is some of you don't try something radical like actually going to the policy website, rather relying on internet editorials usually written out of context. He will be no different to any other U.S. President, they are totally unable to deal with rabid "2nd Amendment" protesters, nor can they deal with the "untouchable" firearms industry, or its well-financed arm, the NRA. Ahh, finally a statement of fact. Despite all the hoo haa, pretty much nothing will change at all during Trump's possible term, as with most of them previously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Pffft. Not even a choice. Clinton, every time. And I don't even like her. Estimated 25 trillion in debt by the end of her first possible term, the only resolve will probably be be war. A big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 rather relying on internet editorials usually written out of context. What about all the stuff that comes out of his own mouth in the many video clips? He contradicts himself so often. As well as nonstop bragging about how rich and clever he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 That's nice Red, but what's your opinion on Trump's "zero tax" on individuals earning less than $25,000 and/or couples less than $50,000 to stimulate micro-economics and less cost/time for company's employing those people to process their paperwork? This would increase the reluctance to lift the US minimum wage rate way beyond its current miserable less than $5/hr rate. If the minimum wage rate was raised to, say $15p/h, the low paid would be a hell of a lot better off even if they had to pay tax. McDonalds makes a very good profit in Australia despite the wage rate being 3xUS and the big Mac the same price. (but does maccas actually pay Oz taxes?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 This would increase the reluctance to lift the US minimum wage rate way beyond its current miserable less than $5/hr rate. If the minimum wage rate was raised to, say $15p/h, the low paid would be a hell of a lot better off even if they had to pay tax. McDonalds makes a very good profit in Australia despite the wage rate being 3xUS and the big Mac the same price. (but does maccas actually pay Oz taxes?) Low paid people are not better off if they lose their jobs. I have seen what effect it has over the last 10 years here in China including having to find extra money personally. I have seen multitudes here lose there jobs while heaps of factories close up. I don't know what the true min wage should be in America, but increasing people's real earnings by dropping their tax instead of burdening the Employer is a damn good start. How Seattle’s $15 Minimum Wage is Creating More Unemployment - Peter Schiff's Gold News How the Minimum Wage Helped Spiral Puerto Rico into Economic Chaos - Peter Schiff's Gold News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 What about all the stuff that comes out of his own mouth in the many video clips? . What's the longest video clip of Trump you have ever watched? Yes he has, does, and will likely continue to say some outrageous things, you get to see those outrageous comments clips only - outrageous until you see it in context with the rest of the speech. One of Trump's problems is he doesn't seem to understand, unlike seasoned Pollies, that today's media thrives on 30 seconds of sensation then moves on, not a whole hour of speech. ... Or he does understand better than most realise, any publicity as they say .... might be smarter than a lot of people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Trump comes across as crass, unpredictable and erratic with more than a hint of megalomania, but he obviously appeals to a lot of Americans who like his simple `just leave it all to me folks, I'll fix everything' message. His ego may be in for a rude shock if he ever gets elected and actually has to start dealing with real-world problems. With no previous political experience, that experiment is not likely to be good for America or the rest of the world. When Putin was asked what he thought of Trump, he said "he's a very intelligent man isn't he?' but he couldn't wipe the sly grin off his face. rgmwa 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 [ What's the longest video clip of Trump you have ever watched?Yes he has, does, and will likely continue to say some outrageous things, you get to see those outrageous comments clips only - outrageous until you see it in context with the rest of the speech. One of Trump's problems is he doesn't seem to understand, unlike seasoned Pollies, that today's media thrives on 30 seconds of sensation then moves on, not a whole hour of speech. ... Or he does understand better than most realise, any publicity as they say .... might be smarter than a lot of people think. I watched his entire nomination acceptance speech, live, no editing no spin, just the mans words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted July 31, 2016 Share Posted July 31, 2016 I don't go on anyone else's View. I go on what comes out of his mouth live. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 With no previous political experience, that experiment is not likely to be good for America or the rest of the world. Ronald Reagan was a movie actor, etc ... But basically I see this over and over, no one can prove it either way but I can certainly prove what the seasoned Politicians have done, and are doing, and will continue to do leading various countries. The "Devil You Know" is actually pretty bad currently and at worst Trump will be in 4 years maximum, possibly Impeached before then if he turns out to be as bad as you guys reckon, so I would like to bet on some disturbance. With no previous political experience, that experiment is not likely to be good for America or the rest of the world. America is currently 19 Trillion in debt, have most of the world hating them at some levels while it's own people are starving, unemployed, killing each other, Police are hated, blah blah - on what planet do you think things are being run well by the last couple of Presidents. These points are part of the reason Trump is where he's at right now. Oh and there's a distinct possibility that they are about to go into the greatest recession of all time making the 2008 GFC look like child's play. Trump has even said in his speeches that he hopes it happens before he's elected rather than 2 months after, in other words, his prediction is for late 2016 or early 2017. Start buying gold and putting your cash under your mattress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 The process of removing a dodgy president takes yonks and there's no telling what sort of mess he could get into in the meantime. Have they ever had a more unpredictable candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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