Oscar Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Very, very sad event and my condolences to all affected. I've never seen any pics of Jab crashes that have had both A-pillars taken out like that, even for the infamous Wedderburn crash into tree tops; I am thinking wire-strike on the power line that runs along the road adjacent to the crash site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Very, very sad event and my condolences to all affected. I've never seen any pics of Jab crashes that have had both A-pillars taken out like that, even for the infamous Wedderburn crash into tree tops; I am thinking wire-strike on the power line that runs along the road adjacent to the crash site. There was another one which opened up after a forced landing on cultivated ground; landed across the corrugations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan3111 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I have been on the ground at two different jab crashes ,one was throw a fence and the other one was throw powers lines .In both of those cases all four people talked away very lucky ,both aircraft had about the same damage windscreen out and engine down on the ground wings folded back. Very sad to see this gentle man not be so lucky and passing away . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 The Gold Coast Bulletin is reporting that ATSB is sending three people to the site this morning, so we should get a preliminary report soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 There was another one which opened up after a forced landing on cultivated ground; landed across the corrugations. I think you mean the Myrtleford one, and if you look at the piccy at: ‘Miracle’ escape for pilot in Myrtleford crash you'll see that the a-pillars let go at the firewall, were not cut out as in this one. I hope we'll be told at least the basic details, as knowledge of what can happen allows people (at least in some circumstances), to make better-informed choices as to what is the likely 'least-worst' option. This particular crash looks to me as if it was a terribly sad case of extreme bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggles Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 The ATSB is investigating a fatal aircraft accident involving a Jabiru J170, registration 24-5215, at Yarram Airfield, Victoria at 15.44 EST Wednesday 7 September. It was reported that the aircraft collided with terrain after conducting circuits. The ATSB has deployed three investigators to the site. They are specialists in aircraft engineering, human factors and aviation analysis. The team is expected to arrive later today and will remain at the site for up to three days. As part of the on-site investigation, the team will: examine the aircraft wreckage and site talk to any witnesses collect and review aircraft and pilot documentation examine weather conditions at the time of the accident. ( ATSB Investigation Number AO-216-112) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I think you mean the Myrtleford one, and if you look at the piccy at: ‘Miracle’ escape for pilot in Myrtleford crash you'll see that the a-pillars let go at the firewall, were not cut out as in this one. I hope we'll be told at least the basic details, as knowledge of what can happen allows people (at least in some circumstances), to make better-informed choices as to what is the likely 'least-worst' option. This particular crash looks to me as if it was a terribly sad case of extreme bad luck. That makes another one; the one I remember was in South Australia on a totally cultivated paddock and the pillars had let go at the wing. Looks to be something that a small design change would fix. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Obviously not this one: No Cookies | The Advertiser I'd be very interested to have a reference to the one mentioned -preferably with a piccy. As a Jab owner, I am concerned to know if there are potential weaknesses in the airframe - particularly in the occupant safety cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Obviously not this one: No Cookies | The Advertiser I'd be very interested to have a reference to the one mentioned -preferably with a piccy. As a Jab owner, I am concerned to know if there are potential weaknesses in the airframe - particularly in the occupant safety cage. No, a cultivated paddock like this one; if you land across the furrows, which you might have to do in a forced landing, you get a washboard effect which can induce sympathetic resonation. Spent ten minutes peeling back a Facebook feed before I realised I'd be there for several hours. tracajeti agreed with me so he may know of the SA one Failing that it would be worth an inspection of the structure in an aircraft which doesn't yet have the lining in it, or failing that ATSB may come up with some close ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ave8rr Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 The ATSB is investigating a fatal aircraft accident involving a Jabiru J170, registration 24-5215, at Yarram Airfield, Victoria at 15.44 EST Wednesday 7 September. It was reported that the aircraft collided with terrain after conducting circuits.The ATSB has deployed three investigators to the site. They are specialists in aircraft engineering, human factors and aviation analysis. The team is expected to arrive later today and will remain at the site for up to three days. As part of the on-site investigation, the team will: examine the aircraft wreckage and site talk to any witnesses collect and review aircraft and pilot documentation examine weather conditions at the time of the accident. ( ATSB Investigation Number AO-216-112) Good to see that the ATSB are investigating A RAAus registered aircraft accident. USUALLY done by the police and we never hear any more. At least this way there will be a full report in time. The last one ATSB attended I believe was the Ferris Wheel accident. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Was this the jab 160 that hit the container and was repaired and had a upgrade to a 170 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Was this the jab 160 that hit the container and was repaired and had a upgrade to a 170 No If you look at oneof the aerial shots you'll see the aircraft in a very odd place - next to the hangars, so although we've been talking structure, I don't think structural's going to be the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ave8rr Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I can't help but wonder WHY the ATSB are interested in this accident. 1. Is it that it is a Jab? 2. A medical event with the elderly pilot? Both these (Jab engines and Class 2 Medicals) are of CASA interest at the moment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperplace Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 NoIf you look at oneof the aerial shots you'll see the aircraft in a very odd place - next to the hangars, so although we've been talking structure, I don't think structural's going to be the cause. yeah, how did he get there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico13 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 TV News reports tonight by apparent witnesses saying he wasn't lined up with the runway before the crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron5335 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 If you look at the aerial shot, it shows both wings are in line and in the front of the aircraft, a white engine cowl. In the close up shot, one wing is under the elevators, and the front of the aircraft is predominately black. So it looks like the wing was cut off, cowling removed, and the pillars cut off for patient access & removal. It also appears that the undercarriage is intact, strange considering the terrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Turboplanner, How sure are you that this plane wasn't the upgrade 170, not saying this was the course of the accident. But interested in your comments early that this plane didn't fly that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JabiruWeekendWarrior Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I learned to fly at Tooradin with the two J170 regos are 5215 and 5228, under CFI Eugene Reid /Ian Loveridge. These have EFIS dash panel and were always J170s. The J160 damage and rebirthed as a J170 is a different aircraft, it happened in the time I was a student. The aircraft dash panel retained its steam gauges. I found the J170s to fly quite fine and no issues, last time I flown 5215 was around October last year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Turboplanner,How sure are you that this plane wasn't the upgrade 170, not saying this was the course of the accident. But interested in your comments early that this plane didn't fly that well. JabiruWeekendWarrior is correct with the two J170 registrations. The J160 hit a shipping container and was re-winged to J170 spec. I flew 5215 pre AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperplace Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 JabiruWeekendWarrior is correct with the two J170 registrations.The J160 hit a shipping container and was re-winged to J170 spec. I flew 5215 pre AD. hit a shipping container???? how does that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 hit a shipping container???? how does that happen? The strip has a lot of gusty crosswinds and mechanical turbulence from mangroves, trees and buildings close to the strip. I believe it was a Pilot Cert takeoff where the crosswind unexpectedly pushed him towards the trees/container just at lift off, combined with a decision to fly/put down fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfox1 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I was told by a friend who spoke to the owner of the aircraft pilot was on his first solo cross country trip ,pilot bit short on final and at full flaps applying power to reach the thresh hold plane pitched up and stalled dropped a wing rolled over . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love to fly Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 The strip has a lot of gusty crosswinds and mechanical turbulence from mangroves, trees and buildings close to the strip.I believe it was a Pilot Cert takeoff where the crosswind unexpectedly pushed him towards the trees/container just at lift off, combined with a decision to fly/put down fast. My dumb question of the day. What's a Pilot Cert takeoff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 My dumb question of the day. What's a Pilot Cert takeoff? Shorthand for the Pilot had a Pilot Certificate, he wasn't a student. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love to fly Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Shorthand for the Pilot had a Pilot Certificate, he wasn't a student. Thanks! Hadn't seen the term before. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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