FlyBoy1960 Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, BrendAn said: it was a recent report and i think it may have been from the usa. this one here is the earlier aus one when jabs were failing a lot more than the others. The problem with this report is that it also incorporates Rotax two-stroke engines failures in its results and not just Rotax 4 stroke engines. This makes the failure rate much better for Rotax if you drop the two-stroke engine range, which then makes it a lot worse for Jabiru. It's just impossible to get the real figures 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 hours ago, FlyBoy1960 said: It's just impossible to get the real figures I was able to get 5 years worth of good data from 2007 to 2012. This accident does not appear to be engine related. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 The crash victim has been named as a local (Townsville) pilot, Rob McKenzie, aged 67. RIP and condolences to family and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Good grief, you are dredging up stuff from 2014. The initial reliability and engine failure stats that were cause for the Jabiru engine restrictions were wildly inaccurate & included fuel starvation & shutdowns on the ground etc. The initial figure was 40 but when the analysis was done it ended up as 12 & there were no fatalities involved. A couple of disgruntled ex RAA flight school operators who failed to maintain the engines as required, now working for CASA poured fuel on the issue. After the Senate enquiry the restrictions were lifted & the ex RAA employees were quietly let go. I have all the reports & details & do not intend to publish them here. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, kgwilson said: I have all the reports & details & do not intend to publish them here. Thats ok, please send the reports and details to me by email if you can. [email protected] should be an interesting read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Here is some information about SAOs Learn about Self administering organisations: https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft/sport-aviation/sport-aviation-self-administering-organisations SAOs https://www.casa.gov.au/aircraft/sport-aviation/sport-aviation-self-administering-organisations# This is an update from CASA free of the anecdotes that seem to float around. Jabiru Engine Reliability Analysis Report File Ref: D16/181471 Source: CASA https://www.casa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-08/jabiru-engine-reliability-analysis-report.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Seems more like CFIT then an engine issue maybe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kununurra Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Nothing like drifting off the topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 On 13/09/2022 at 9:28 AM, jcruffle said: To allay a lot of speculation and rumours, there was no Mayday call and almost certainly no engine failure. The photograph in the local paper was of a different aircraft involved on a different crash. Gutter journalism. Wait for the coroner’s report before shooting off your mouths and accepting hearsay as the truth. it was a j230 so maybe you should not be so quick to shoot your mouth off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kununurra Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 3 hours ago, BrendAn said: it was a j230 so maybe you should not be so quick to shoot your mouth off. Good advice, but I can’t find in the post you quoted where he even mentioned that it was any particular aircraft. Where you referring to another quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Kununurra said: Good advice, but I can’t find in the post you quoted where he even mentioned that it was any particular aircraft. Where you referring to another quote? No. But now I read it again he said a different aircraft than the photo . Not that it wasn't a j230. If that makes sense. Had my wires crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farri Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 From the RAA, Fatal Accident Communique, dated, 15 September 2022, that I received! Although it would be unwise to speculate as to the cause of the accident, I can confirm the aircraft, a Jabiru J230 with one person onboard, collided with terrain in rugged bushland southeast of Mt Elliot. Franco. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 A p38 Lightning crashed on Mt Elliot during WW2 and the wreckage has never been found. I was part of a party that went looking for it about 30 years ago. mt Elliot is bigger than you think! 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teckair Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Does anyone know what the weather conditions were at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 Apparently not great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Teckair said: Does anyone know what the weather conditions were at the time? Apparently a layer of early morning fog around............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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