jackc Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Would anyone know of a supplier for these please? Looking to fit to my instrument panel….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, jackc said: Would anyone know of a supplier for these please? Looking to fit to my instrument panel….. It's worthwile doing the NAV course and Performance and Operations first. You would normally use this on the ground doing your flight plan away from the aircraft. Departure from the flight plan normally occurs in rough conditions or an emergency where the primary objective becomes saving the aircraft from the imminent threat which is priority 1 over an open-sky collision possibility. In doing those two modules you'll understand that a flight plan change en-route can be complicated because part of it is recalculating your endurance, ground speed on the new route, fuel burn etc. and this is what separates you from the magenta line followers who have fuel exhaustions. No problem in having a sticker in the panel, but the formal learning process came out of WW2 experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 I know that I have to go through the process for my NAV but I thought it wise as an inflight reminder it would be a good idea. It will be probably a long time before I go on a trip requiring a lot of planning……..I will be just happy to junket around locally 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, jackc said: I know that I have to go through the process for my NAV but I thought it wise as an inflight reminder it would be a good idea. It will be probably a long time before I go on a trip requiring a lot of planning……..I will be just happy to junket around locally 🙂 The local trips are where you learn and test your flight planning. There's an enormous sense of achievement when you get your first correct furl burn result at the end of even a short trip; it gives you a foundation of confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 CASA has created these in little cheat sheets with other useful stuff like cloud clearance etc. They are giveaways. Ring them & they will send you some or download them if you can find them on their website. The Part 91 Plain English guide has everything in it as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 You should be able to remember odd to the east. All VFR is plus 500. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 And it's magnetic TRACK so you need to plan rather than JUST Go to. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 hours ago, jackc said: Would anyone know of a supplier for these please? Looking to fit to my instrument panel….. That's odd: it's different in NZ: Part 91, General Operating and Flight Rule. CAA of NZ 91.313 VFR cruising altitude and flight level (a) A pilot-in-command of an aircraft operating within the New Zealand FIR under VFR in level cruising flight at more than 3000 feet AMSL or 1000 feet AGL (whichever is the higher) must, unless otherwise authorised by an ATC unit, maintain the following altitudes or flight levels: (1) when operating at or below 13 000 feet AMSL and— (i) on a magnetic track of 270° clockwise to 089°, any odd thousand foot altitude AMSL plus 500 feet; or (ii) on a magnetic track of 090° clockwise to 269°, any even thousand foot altitude AMSL plus 500 feet. I'm guessing that's because we are a long country lying on a roughly N/S axis, so most traffic would be travelling in either a northerly or a southerly direction....... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 As good a reason as any. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tillmanr Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I was taught East is least (1 and odds), West is best 2 and evens). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 NOSE North odds South evens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherk Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, Old Koreelah said: NOSE North odds South evens 🙄 not quite! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 NOSE made sense in NZ & on the east Coast here you are often on a track up the coast so close to magnetic North you chop & change a bit so it is hard to keep to a regular cruising altitude. I am not going to porpoise around so just stick to what I originally planned. Of course depending on the wind your track and heading can be quite different as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 It's supposed to be required above 5,000 ft in Australia and try to observe it below. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, facthunter said: And it's magnetic TRACK so you need to plan rather than JUST Go to. Nev I don't quite understand what bad practice you're tilting at here, Nev. If nothing else, GPS GoTo pointers (and their much maligned magenta lines) do, at least, keep you firmly on a given "magnetic TRACK". (For a start, satellites don't give a damn about your local winds, nor your heading.) Sure, in the olden days your night-before planning was all you had, to come up with a heading to keep you to a track magnetic. But as a method, it called for lots of faith in forecast winds, your old whiskey compass and your ability to read a map etc. But hey, it usually worked out and for sure was/is great sport ... precisely because it was/is difficult. But since GPS, if holding a magnetic track is the main game then no amount of 'planning' comes close to following that 'JUST GoTo' boogey man. Obviously there's more to the art of flight planning than that. But, with the help of EFBs etc. I'd say it's practised better and safer today than ever. Good flight planning and magenta lines are hardly categorical opposites. BTW, I believe we're supposed to track hemispherically above 3,000' now. Edited November 1, 2022 by Garfly 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Yes, now 3,000 feet plus. I don't see why you would need the card. It is odds+ to the right and evens+ to the left of the north-south line. Very easy to remember. Wasn't much harder in the old days with quadrantal rule. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 But if you are on a South track its is odds+ to the left and evens+ to the right so better to think East/least and West/best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
409tonner Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I read somewhere years ago to just remember WEEO ,west evens east odds and say it as it’s spelt we-oh. Its now firmly entrenched in my memory. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 That is easy. WEEO here & NOSE across the ditch. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Why bother with all those WEEOs and things, it is easy to remember and you will need the info for planning, not so much in your cockpit. Some things just have to be remembered, otherwise you will spend too much time looking for the info on your panel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 I have decided to print one out, laminate it and put on my panel. Ned to make up my checklists and do same as a quick reference laminated little notebook, too. Committing checklists to memory is not a good idea, previous owner of my J-230 had one with aircraft, pretty dog eared now…….so it must have got some use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueadventures Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) I placed EVN and ODD on bottom of compass as a reminder. Edited November 2, 2022 by Blueadventures 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, jackc said: I have decided to print one out, laminate it and put on my panel. Ned to make up my checklists and do same as a quick reference laminated little notebook, too. Committing checklists to memory is not a good idea, previous owner of my J-230 had one with aircraft, pretty dog eared now…….so it must have got some use. A5 ring binder with laminated pages, works well then you can put new pages in faster than CASA can change the rules. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Good idea, have already done POH in A4 and A5, to carry in aircraft. A4 stays at hangar. Edited November 2, 2022 by jackc add pic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, jackc said: Good idea, have already done POH in A4 and A5, to carry in aircraft. A4 stays at hangar. Officeworks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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