dlegg Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 https://www.inverelltimes.com.au/story/8392973/crews-on-the-scene-after-reports-of-light-plane-crash/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingVizsla Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Emergency services called to light plane crash at Palgrave on Southern Downs - ABC News WWW.ABC.NET.AU Emergency services are at the scene of a light plane crash south-west of Warwick. Firefighters say a grassfire has started as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Thats not looking good judging by 2nd photo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekliston Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Not a lot left after it burnt! Did the pilot/s survive? Only from the burnt shape it looks like it could be one of the flying school diamonds? Anyone know more yet? I fly from Warwick but didn’t today because I didn’t like the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGM Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Jabriu J160 per RAAus https://members.raa.asn.au/safety/accident-and-defect-summaries/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Seven news advises pilot deceased. Jabiru 160 according to https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/346980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Looks like its upside down to me, the undercarriage legs are on top of the wreckage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toestub Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Definitely inverted and lack of a skid. Bloody strong wind today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBoy1960 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Details released Pilot. Mervyn Mudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 So sad. RIP Merve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekliston Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 So sad, such an unforgiving hobby. Also glad it wasn’t one of our Warwick crew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Merv Mudge was an ex-RAAF Flight engineer and an accomplished pilot. One has to suspect a possible severe medical event was behind this crash, where the aircraft crashed inverted, and where the aircraft appears to show no in-flight structural failure. http://airmanaircrew.com.au/html/airman_aircrew/categories/composite/mu4494496306.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 I hate that the news has quoted ATSB as saying they don't investigate because it is 'kit built '. The reason they don't investigate (all the politics aside) is it is an RA AUS registered plane . If it was kit built and VH registered it would be investigated I presume. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 ATSB can choose what they investigate. They don't have to investigate all VH reg accidents. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 They are not funded at a figure that permits them to investigate all accidents or incidents. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 ATSB make a decision on whether to investigate, based on whether there's something new, as regards safety, to be uncovered. People still crash regularly, making the same pilot mistakes, over and over again. But the circumstances here would reasonably indicate the cause behind the crash, is incapacity of the pilot. A post mortem could possibly reveal that for sure, but that's not guaranteed, either. However, the simple fact that the aircraft was being flown by a competent and experienced pilot, and came down inverted in one piece, points to pilot incapacity. If any competent and experienced pilot is still functional at the controls when something goes wrong, and the aircraft is still in one piece, one would expect they would at least be able to attempt to land it, the right way up. I'm not a doc, but from long experience and knowledge, I can see physical features in the pilots photo that would lead me to believe he would either have a history of heart and arterial problems, or a high chance of developing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 It is most unlikely that the aircraft crashed while inverted. Aircraft invert regularly after a hard landing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 hours ago, pmccarthy said: ATSB can choose what they investigate. They don't have to investigate all VH reg accidents. Sure. What I mean though is the fact the plane is kit built is not the reason they are not investigating it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 By itself, I wouldn't think so, but who really knows? Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundsounds Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, onetrack said: ATSB make a decision on whether to investigate, based on whether there's something new, as regards safety, to be uncovered. People still crash regularly, making the same pilot mistakes, over and over again. But the circumstances here would reasonably indicate the cause behind the crash, is incapacity of the pilot. A post mortem could possibly reveal that for sure, but that's not guaranteed, either. However, the simple fact that the aircraft was being flown by a competent and experienced pilot, and came down inverted in one piece, points to pilot incapacity. If any competent and experienced pilot is still functional at the controls when something goes wrong, and the aircraft is still in one piece, one would expect they would at least be able to attempt to land it, the right way up. I'm not a doc, but from long experience and knowledge, I can see physical features in the pilots photo that would lead me to believe he would either have a history of heart and arterial problems, or a high chance of developing them. Many possible causes… https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/occurrence-briefs/2018/aviation/ab-2018-124 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 That comment seems fair and reasonable. A horrible situation to be with in flight. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 One would've expected a mayday or some radio transmission indicating fire or smoke, if such was the case. I know the rules are "aviate, navigate, communicate", but generally smoke gives a substantial warning time before fire, and gives one time to send out a mayday. I see no gouges in the ground that would indicate the aircraft landed the right way up, then inverted after nosing in. The ABC video gives a lot of clear aerial viewing of the crash site. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-19/light-plane-crashes-palgrave-southern-downs-grass-fire/102998074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Communicate is only IF you are not fully occupied saving yourself. No one on the ground can help you most times, so why waste time? Nev 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFguy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I wonder if my concerns about the way Jabiru aircraft are wired is any contribution to the (post?) accident fire. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 It's all too early to know. There's a very good chance it caught on fire after coming down, but in-flight is plausible too. If they don't look at the aircraft particularly carefully, maybe the biggest clue will be the autopsy - illness/heart attack, smoke in lungs? , etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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