How has COVID 19 affected your flying or intended flying

[Jim McDowall]

I think SA has done well but you need to factor in population density to get a real comparison.

 

Population density of Adelaide is roughly the same as Sydney and Melbourne and the population is older on average than the rest of Australia. On demographics alone there should be more deaths in SA per capita. However, a cruise ship full of potential victims were not let loose in SA to infect the population although some made it to SA.

Add to that the fact that the State Government doesn't believe that anyone lives outside the metro area so it makes laws/rules accordingly.

[octave]

Here are a couple of ER doctors saying exactly what I have been saying only better.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/2-whisteblowing-cali-er-doctors-urge-open-society-now-because-lockdowns-are-weakening-our

 

UN warns of starvation of "Biblical" proportions cause by the global lock down. Trump curbs immigration as UN warns of food shortages

 

The lock down cheer squad have to own both side's of the ledger here if you lock down to save live's but it end's up killing million's more due to economic/food production destruction you have to own that to.

 

Covid 19 scare for the mathematical illiterate.

 

Shoddy statistics and false claims: Dr. Erickson dangerously misled the public on coronavirus

[jetjr]

SA have a crap system for cross border travel right now, really hurting contractors and projects requiring SA businesses to travel.

The risk and cost of being forced to isolate teams for 2 weeks based on one policemens assessment on the day of return is huge.

[Jim McDowall]

SA has lots of crap systems based on subjective assessments of people who have no idea what it takes to function in the real world as opposed to the world that public servants live in. I suspect it is not much different in the rest of the country.

[jetjr]

Vic and NSW have no cross border restrictions other than regs each state has in place

QLD has physically blocked border crossings and you need to call Police to allow access - adding hours to a trip but they aren't forcing isolation.

SA has police at border and they assess your answers to questions and say if you have to isolate or not.

No phone number to call, no website, no guidance as to whats acceptable or any management plans required that would assure unrestricted re entry.

[Jim McDowall]

"No phone number to call, no website, no guidance as to whats acceptable or any management plans required that would assure unrestricted re entry."

 

What is acceptable is on the web:

5—Skills critical to maintaining key industries or businesses

 

 

Specialists required for industry or business continuity and maintenance of competitive operations where the appropriate skills are not available in South Australia, where the service is time critical and where the provision of the service requires that the person be physically present in South Australia.

 

 

Persons who, in the conduct of their duties, are responsible for maintenance or repair of infrastructure critical to South Australia and are required to be physically present in South Australia for such purposes.

 

 

Persons who are employed or engaged in agricultural or primary industry activities and are required to be physically present in South Australia.

 

 

Persons who ordinarily live or work in South Australia and travel for work purposes for regular periods according to established work schedules.

 

 

Note—

 

 

A FIFO worker (being an essential traveller under the last paragraph of this clause) is not required to self-quarantine on return to South Australia, provided that their employer is applying risk mitigation strategies during periods of work.

 

In addition if you fly into SA and don't leave the airport you can come and go:

 

7—Direction not to apply to certain arrivals

 

 

(1) A person arriving in South Australia on any aircraft or vessel is taken not to arrive in South Australia for the purposes of this direction if—

 

 

(a) in the case of an arrival on an aircraft—the person does not leave the airport in South Australia; or

[jetjr]

Yes and no mention of SA businesses returning after work elsewhere that arent “regular”

No mention that documents required proving essential works, puchase orders, addresses etc etc

Junior cop on the day has ability to cost your company $30k in wages let alone lost work and damages

[farri]

Committed recreational aviation again this afternoon!

[Old Koreelah]

The Pyramid looks good from up there Franko!

[farri]

The Pyramid looks good from up there Franko!

That`s the one, O.K.! here`s another one, I took it 6 weeks ago.

[Old Koreelah]

Franko what's your best time to the top?

[farri]

3.5 hours! embarrassing!!! coming down was harder than going up! once was enough for me! I prefer to look down on earthlings, from the Drifter.

 

The Great Pyramid Race | How hard can it be?

 

The Great Pyramid Race | Race Results

 

Franco.

[Bruce Tuncks]

That's terrible Jim. It makes me angry that people with safe jobs for life can send businesses broke. Would it help if your guys got a border form?

We live in Edenhope at the moment but shop in Naracoorte. There are police at Hynam and we each have a border form. On our last trip through that checkpoint, we were asked for a driver's license as well, by a cop who was more officious than the previous ones. I sure feel for your worry that you or your blokes could be met with a nasty one.

I reckon I could save South Australia by making it the " friendly bureaucrat state ". I would have an ombudsman with the power to sack any official, and his direct boss, who was less than helpful and polite to a taxpayer, especially an employer.

[Old Koreelah]

Too many Public Servants seem to have forgotten that they are there to

Serve The Public- not be served by them.

[Flightrite]

Too many Public Servants seem to have forgotten that they are there to

Serve The Public- not be served by them.

 

Too true but the over arching words " in the publics best interest" seems to give them carte blanch right or wrong!

[Bruce Tuncks]

gosh Old K, that term public servant is out of date I reckon. They can be real bullies.

[Jerry_Atrick]

I started my working life in the public service. Although an important department, it was relatively small. The rank and file were largely as one expects public servants - not going flat out, mainly worried about reading the gazette for new jobs and whether or not they could go up a grade at review. Most work was clerical and public facing and they did serve the public. Of course, no-one would work late unless it was sanctioned overtime (from memory, Tuesday and Thursday nights).. of flexitime. Well, I say that no one would work late without sanctioned overtime except one team - ours.

 

We were the IT team.. We were very small and apart from management (hailed from the private sector) and maybe 6 or 7 others (including me), all were contractors. Of the 6 or 7 permanents, 3 or 4 were from the main gene pool as user aceptance testers. The manager would bring them in on trial and of course, for emergency releases, they would have to wait for the developers to finish before they could test. The manager was reasonable, if it was late, they would be paid, but up to about 7pm, they could come in later or leave earlier the next day - or just add it to their flexi-time. Needless to say, those on trial that kicked up a stink didn't go on to be permanently in the team and a lot wanted to as it was a path to becoming a developer.

 

The manager was instilling a service attititude into his team.. simple.. And for most, it worked. Also, it was a great place to work - small and nimble team, recognised and rewarded on a meritocratic basis - genuinely smart people to learn from and thrive off. Very rare in public and private sectors. Only downside was I met the woman who was to become my finacee... thankfully we didn't quite make it further. To be honest, she is much smarter than me, so she is probably more thankful!

 

Some secretary for the department decides they need some big project to sell information provided by the public back to them (in a different form). They decide the team we have isn't up to the job (which was rubbish - some of those contractors were worth their weight in saffron). So they decide to hire a new manager (the exsting one saw the writing on the wall and took a very nice job in private enterprise) and he brought his troops from the other department. Overnight, the department transformed into a bloated bureaucratic mess. They introduced all of these procedures in the name of quality, that nothing got done, and what did get done was of no better quality. I stayed around for 2 years - the time they were supposed to take to deliver this thing.. Guess what.. it was running late and had 2 years to go. In other words, according to the plan, had not moved an inch, The state auditor general wrote a damning report on it, the response was paltry but no-one took action. One day, as I was wakling past a colleague's (from the old regime) desk, his phone rang. As he wasn't there and he was heading 3rd line support for the day, I picked it up in case there was an issue (something the new guard would never do). It was the old manager. We had a chat and as it turned out, he was looking for a couple of programmers and asked if I was interested.. 4 Weeks later, I left the department.

 

I later did a gig with a statutory authority, which is a phrase that really means government department that charges for their "services". Now, I lean ever so slightly left of centre, but the place was filled with either leftie socialist lesbians or people totally indifferent to life. That is not fair - there were a good number of people who were conscientious, capable and tried hard to to the right thing. The problem is the system constrains them and allows the aforementioned people the same career development and ability to get into decision making roles and of course, it serves both the executive of the public service and the pollies to keep it that way... Anyway, I learned from that last gig that these people are cushioned from a lot of life's realities and as their jobs are safe, can take a very black and white/;azy attitude to things.. they can be wrong in their application of the law and there is no recourse... No great incentives to get things right and do a good job; no great disincentives if you crew up or don't get your job done. What is that going to breed?

 

Note, I am sure lefty-socialist lesbians are generally nice people.. but the three I had to deal with were off their rockers in terms of what the authority was providing and what they thought even the smallest self-employed should pay for their authority's particular service, especially when it as likely never to be invoked by them.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Jerry_Atrick

[jackc]

I started my working life in the public service. Although an important department, it was relatively small. The rank and file were largely as one expects public servants - not going flat out, mainly worried about reading the gazette for new jobs and whether or not they could go up a grade at review. Most work was clerical and public facing and they did serve the public. Of course, no-one would work late unless it was sanctioned overtime (from memory, Tuesday and Thursday nights).. of flexitime. Well, I say that no one would work late without sanctioned overtime except one team - ours.

 

We were the IT team.. We were very small and apart from management (hailed from the private sector) and maybe 6 or 7 others (including me), all were contractors. Of the 6 or 7 permanents, 3 or 4 were from the main gene pool as user aceptance testers. The manager would bring them in on trial and of course, for emergency releases, they would have to wait for the developers to finish before they could test. The manager was reasonable, if it was late, they would be paid, but up to about 7pm, they could come in later or leave earlier the next day - or just add it to their flexi-time. Needless to say, those on trial that kicked up a stink didn't go on to be permanently in the team and a lot wanted to as it was a path to becoming a developer.

 

The manager was instilling a service attititude into his team.. simple.. And for most, it worked. Also, it was a great place to work - small and nimble team, recognised and rewarded on a meritocratic basis - genuinely smart people to learn from and thrive off. Very rare in public and private sectors. Only downside was I met the woman who was to become my finacee... thankfully we didn't quite make it further. To be honest, she is much smarter than me, so she is probably more thankful!

 

Some secretary for the department decides they need some big project to sell information provided by the public back to them (in a different form). They decide the team we have isn't up to the job (which was rubbish - some of those contractors were worth their weight in saffron). So they decide to hire a new manager (the exsting one saw the writing on the wall and took a very nice job in private enterprise) and he brought his troops from the other department. Overnight, the department transformed into a bloated bureaucratic mess. They introduced all of these procedures in the name of quality, that nothing got done, and what did get done was of no better quality. I stayed around for 2 years - the time they were supposed to take to deliver this thing.. Guess what.. it was running late and had 2 years to go. In other words, according to the plan, had not moved an inch, The state auditor general wrote a damning report on it, the response was paltry but no-one took action. One day, as I was wakling past a colleague's (from the old regime) desk, his phone rang. As he wasn't there and he was heading 3rd line support for the day, I picked it up in case there was an issue (something the new guard would never do). It was the old manager. We had a chat and as it turned out, he was looking for a couple of programmers and asked if I was interested.. 4 Weeks later, I left the department.

 

I later did a gig with a statutory authority, which is a phrase that really means government department that charges for their "services". Now, I lean ever so slightly left of centre, but the place was filled with either leftie socialist lesbians or people totally indifferent to life. That is not fair - there were a good number of people who were conscientious, capable and tried hard to to the right thing. The problem is the system constrains them and allows the aforementioned people the same career development and ability to get into decision making roles and of course, it serves both the executive of the public service and the pollies to keep it that way... Anyway, I learned from that last gig that these people are cushioned from a lot of life's realities and as their jobs are safe, can take a very black and white/;azy attitude to things.. they can be wrong in their application of the law and there is no recourse... No great incentives to get things right and do a good job; no great disincentives if you crew up or don't get your job done. What is that going to breed?

 

Note, I am sure lefty-socialist lesbians are generally nice people.. but the three I had to deal with were off their rockers in terms of what the authority was providing and what they thought even the smallest self-employed should pay for their authority's particular service, especially when it as likely never to be invoked by them.

Glad I am retired now, IF someone offered me a job in today’s modern working World, I would not last until lunch time.....be out the door!

[Old Koreelah]

...The manager was instilling a service attititude into his team.. there were a good number of people who were conscientious, capable and tried hard to to the right thing. The problem is the system constrains them...

Much of that resonates with me, Jerry.

I stayed on too long as my workplace climate became increasingly toxic after the appointment of a couple of sociopathic females. They'd learned how to climb the ladder of power, walking over the bleeding bodies of dedicated, old-fashioned worker bees like me.

What hurt the most was the total lack of support from my weak workmates, none of whom would risk their careers to return any of the assistance I had given them.

 

The best thing I did was to go far away, where I worked with terrific women leaders and a team that appreciated my efforts.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Old Koreelah

[Student Pilot]

Much of that resonates with me, Jerry.

I stayed on too long as my workplace climate became increasingly toxic after the appointment of a couple of sociopathic females. They'd learned how to climb the ladder of power, walking over the bleeding bodies of dedicated, old-fashioned worker bees like me.

What hurt the most was the total lack of support from my weak workmates, none of whom would risk their careers to return any of the assistance I had given them.

 

The best thing I did was to go far away, where I worked with terrific women leaders and a team that appreciated my efforts.

Unfortunately that's the way workplaces are going now, divide, dominate and wind back hard won work conditions.

[jackc]

Unfortunately that's the way workplaces are going now, divide, dominate and wind back hard won work conditions.

 

No such thing as a work team anymore, every man for themselves at any

cost........ But as I always say, watch out for the Karma Bus as it has no brakes:-)

[Bruce Tuncks]

When I was a kid, there was a real sense of service in the government and a lot of give and take. My father never got overtime but he would be called out at all hours to keep the town's electricity going. On the other hand, I learned to drive in government utes.

As you guys say, it sure is a different world now. I remember my father being upset about how this other guy got into trouble for dropping his kid off at kindergarten on his way to work.

[Jerry_Atrick]

Personally, I blame it on what I call the Harvard School of Management.. Not pointing fingers at Harvard per se, but a lot of people who do MBAs and such, spout a lot of carp about how this authoris says this or that author says that... the authors are usually academics rather than experienced in their field, and the MBAs just take what they say at face value because it sounds intuitive and then implement it. I can't even recall a HR department in the old days - there was a payroll office and that was about it. Now, the carp we have to deal with, with HR, who add zippo real value, is insane. Look at ISO requirements - if you want to be ISO9001 qualified and you're a small business, forget it as you can't employ enough people to look after your quality systems and do the work and pay them all. And I worked for an AS3563 (equivalent to ISO9001) certified organisation. They had an impressive array of quality manuals, almost as long as the building itself. On our induction, we had to sit through a day of quality training given in hushed monotone. Their were manuals for everything - even how to use the kitchen facilities - I kid you not. No-one read them; people did the work they way they were trained and there were no probs. We completed the documentation required when we needed to.. Even teh CEO said it was a waste, but clients required it, so we did it.

 

Nowadays there is a "Professional certification" for virtually any occupation. I have seen people employ many still wet behind the ears but have sat a 3 day course at c. £3k and achieved a professional certification and get a job over someone also qualified but without this "professional" certification such as Prince2, with oodles of proven experience - and it coss te company much more. I did one of those certifications - without it I wouldn't get a job.. But no-on I know who has one ever uses it any more than they did before they did the certification, which is not much.

[Ivan]

Personally, I blame it on what I call the Harvard School of Management.. Not pointing fingers at Harvard per se, but a lot of people who do MBAs and such, spout a lot of carp about how this authoris says this or that author says that... the authors are usually academics rather than experienced in their field, and the MBAs just take what they say at face value because it sounds intuitive and then implement it. I can't even recall a HR department in the old days - there was a payroll office and that was about it. Now, the carp we have to deal with, with HR, who add zippo real value, is insane. Look at ISO requirements - if you want to be ISO9001 qualified and you're a small business, forget it as you can't employ enough people to look after your quality systems and do the work and pay them all. And I worked for an AS3563 (equivalent to ISO9001) certified organisation. They had an impressive array of quality manuals, almost as long as the building itself. On our induction, we had to sit through a day of quality training given in hushed monotone. Their were manuals for everything - even how to use the kitchen facilities - I kid you not. No-one read them; people did the work they way they were trained and there were no probs. We completed the documentation required when we needed to.. Even teh CEO said it was a waste, but clients required it, so we did it.

 

Nowadays there is a "Professional certification" for virtually any occupation. I have seen people employ many still wet behind the ears but have sat a 3 day course at c. £3k and achieved a professional certification and get a job over someone also qualified but without this "professional" certification such as Prince2, with oodles of proven experience - and it coss te company much more. I did one of those certifications - without it I wouldn't get a job.. But no-on I know who has one ever uses it any more than they did before they did the certification, which is not much.

Sad but true - gone are the days when you could go to work, have fun and be recognised for your capabilities and loyalty. Worse still are the so called "learned management" get promoted when they stuff up..... Shouldn't get involved in this discussion on an aviation page but it makes me angry

[Kenlsa]

Back to the thread topic...flight number 10 of the Covid 19 period just complete. Water well and truly mixed back into the oil. Only heard one a/c leaving Adelaide but a few around Parafield. Ken