biggles Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Par-Avion looks to be pure GA training from their website. RPL, PPL, Commercial.I'm guessing he might not even know that an RAA pilot certificate even exists..... Plenty of schools pushing the GA only route for increased revenue.... He'll want CTA going that way. Not available with RAAus cert..... Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 True but it is cheaper to go RAA then upgrade and you have more experience more hours same costs etc. I am sure it made sense for him to go with avion as they have sponsored him I am sure. They can afford a marketing budget to suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 They had a navigation gadget called a compass and this served them well. I hear you - I've seen them too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben87r Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I would say he is planning on using the hours from this for his CPL, so a 172 is more beneficial. Also, considering he is trying for a time record, a break down of some description in a Cessna would be easier to get fixed out that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deskpilot Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Can/has his plane be/been fitted with an autopilot? If so, even I could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Par-Avion looks to be pure GA training from their website. RPL, PPL, Commercial.I'm guessing he might not even know that an RAA pilot certificate even exists..... Plenty of schools pushing the GA only route for increased revenue.... Par Avion is affiliated with Airlines of Tasmania. At present this is their fleet: Airlines of Tasmania fleet Aircraft In Service Beechcraft Duchess 2 Britten-Norman Islander 3 Cessna 172 6 Cessna U206G 2 Cessna 404 Titan 2 Piper PA-31 Navajo 2 Piper PA-31-350 Chieftain 2 Total 19 I believe the Aero Club of Southern Tasmania has a Jab in addition to a couple of 172's, a 206 and an Aero Commander (they may have more - Google says their site may harm my computer, not sure why!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Aero commander..........drool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGL Fox Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Is there a chance that I could do an oldest pilot around Australia. What is the record for oldest? Well Yenn, I have done some searches on the internet and I have not found anyone listed as "the oldest pilot to circumnavigate Australia" so there seems to be an opening in the Guinness Book of records if you wanted to attempt it....and if you did it with no electronic aids only maps I reckon you may hold this record for a long time... David 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnm Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 agreed DGL Fox .................... its a fantastic opportunity to get in the record books - and the longer an older person delays the record attempt - the more chance they have of having their names as the record holder for the longer period (just don't leave it to long though) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGL Fox Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think it would be a great adventure for an older pilot and if someone decided to do this with maps only, like they did in the old days, you could show the youngers how it was done..I hope someone takes up the challenge. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Lol if some of the old fellas I know tried it with just maps and compass it would be a hilarious chain of disasters which may or may not result in a complete lap! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think it would be a great adventure for an older pilot and if someone decided to do this with maps only, like they did in the old days, you could show the youngers how it was done..I hope someone takes up the challenge. David Even more authentic in a vintage aircraft.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I like anything above stall speed plus 10 knots, being in the air is what counts. Mind you, if you had the call of nature, I think you'd appreciate the faster cruise speed. I hate those other "in flight options" available to us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Lucky you don't have an artificial bladder - bag on your belly. Endurance 2 hrs, or it feels like a football, and can cause a leak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Mind you, if you had the call of nature, I think you'd appreciate the faster cruise speed. I hate those other "in flight options" available to us . A case of he/she with the biggest bladder wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 And I thought bladder bags were able to make you fly longer...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 And I thought bladder bags were able to make you fly longer...... Yes, if you use a leg bag with a tube from the belly bag, but I think that would be uncomfortable/inconvenient in a small plane. Like an overnight bag lets you sleep all night, but wouldn't like to use it in a LSA or GA aircraft, particularly as PIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Why bother with the bag part, just discharge the tube overboard. Many years ago I took some heavy drinkers from Rocky to Archerfield. We left with full stubbies nad we arrived with full stubbies, but that was after recycling the contents. They wanted to throw them out as they refilled them, but I wouldn't open the C182 window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Why bother with the bag part, just discharge the tube overboard.Many years ago I took some heavy drinkers from Rocky to Archerfield. We left with full stubbies nad we arrived with full stubbies, but that was after recycling the contents. They wanted to throw them out as they refilled them, but I wouldn't open the C182 window. I still think flight planning stops every 2 hours is the better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Have you actually tried that Yenn? Inside the cabin generally has lower pressure than static outside. A good way to get your own back..Nev 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I used to travel in a twin with a pissaphone, a funnel and length of hose plumbed outside. It definitely sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 I used to travel in a twin with a pissaphone, a funnel and length of hose plumbed outside. It definitely sucked. Hmmm... solo member of the Mile High Club, are you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Hmmm... solo member of the Mile High Club, are you? Hmmmm (the sound of pmccarthy's aircraft overhead). Is that rain falling from the sky? Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauple58 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Happy to be corrected, but my take on this is that only plane (a RAAF Fairey IIID) has ever flown around Australia, and that was almost a century ago, in 1924. Every so called 'circumnavigation' since has essentially been a cross country, even allowing that some sectors might periodically pick up the coast. While young Oliver O'Halloran and his ilk deserve every encouragement, and accolade, his route falls well short of a circumnavigation (which is something he would probably also concede). Take just one sector for example. By bypassing Cape York he reduces by two-thirds the distance needed to properly circumnavigate the Cape. But clearly, I'm envious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 About the only part ATC could knock on the head would be the remote area of Western Tasmania. I had missed the point that he was not going to Cape York in the original post. To be a fair cinkum circumnavigation I would expect to include at the least Bamaga and to pass Cape York. It would be interesting to see how mucj of the caostline he misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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