BirdDog Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Angus Beef paid $10,000 for about three mentions on Burke's Backyard in prime time about twenty years ago. Does that give you any clues about how they could do it too. The content doesn't matter as long as the money is flowing. Remember John Laws, oh that's right he is still on, just no body listens to him any more! Good point! Wouldn't it be great to see how much he paid the network to get that story on air? Then it's not really news is it! More a paid advert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Borgelt Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Cashed Up Bogan, Oscar. Perth was full of them during the mining boom. When you look at what a Cirrus SR 22 costs and how often you need more than 2 seats maybe a 2 seater at about 30% the going price of a new Cirrus and far lower running costs isn't so silly. My only question is : does it have a decent size baggage compartment and loading. RV's are good 2 seaters but you need a RPL or PPL. If we would have real medical reform (not the latest CASA bs) they are a good way to go although if I had to build a new aircraft I'd have a really good look at an IO360 powered BD4C and configure it as a 2 seater with large baggage compartment just the way we fly our BD4. You could leave provision for fitting the back seat later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I The story made out that this aircraft is the only one in it's class at this price tag, and that, is misleading at best. What, you mean there's others at that ridiculous price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdDog Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 What, you mean there's others at that ridiculous price! What I am saying is... there are plenty of other options in a similar class for cheaper money! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Angus Beef paid $10,000 for about three mentions on Burke's Backyard in prime time about twenty years ago. Does that give you any clues about how they could do it too. The content doesn't matter as long as the money is flowing. Remember John Laws, oh that's right he is still on, just no body listens to him any more! Is anyone still under the impression that Sunrise is a news program? It's purely paid advertisement and this would have been no different. If the other aircraft manufacturers want to get a spot on "prime" TV (I wouldn't call that c**p "prime" by any means), then they just have to front up the money too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Is anyone still under the impression that Sunrise is a news program? It's purely paid advertisement and this would have been no different. . Sadly all boating, car and plane etc magazines have gone that way, paid for articles and because the sales of mags are so low nowadays they can't afford to tell the truth about what they are (allegedly) testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Borgelt Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 A modern 18 meter single seat sailplane without ANY form of engine will set you back the best part of A$150,000 just for the airframe. Add instruments A$10,000 to A$15,000, trailer A$15,000 to A$20,000, parachute A$3500, shipping from Germany or South Africa say $10,000 and GST on top of the lot and you are in the A$210,000 to A$220,000 region. Add another A$50,000 for a sustainer engine that might prevent outlandings but will not launch you. Still think the Blackshape is totally stupid at A$280,000? Alternatively you could buy a used Jab for $30,000 to $70,000 or in glider world a used Libelle or Standard Cirrus for about A$10,000 spend a few thousand updating and refurbishing it and have a lot of fun and if competition is your thing there is a Club handicapped class with even World Championships 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poteroo Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 RV's are good 2 seaters but you need a RPL or PPL. Not for the RV-12, which is RAAus weight. My understanding is that, despite them being 'limited' (USA) to 120KIAS at sea-level via the propeller that VANS sells, they will go much faster. With a ground adjustable propeller, I'd be surprised if they couldn't move along at more like 130 KIAS - perhaps 140KTAS around 5000ft? An RV-12 is somewhat cheaper than a Blackshape. More info in an article in Kitplanes November 2017 . I'd be interested to hear of performance numbers from Aussie owners, particularly those who may have fitted a different GA propeller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rankamateur Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Then it's not really news is it! More a paid advert. So you haven't watched the news much for the last 5 or 10 years then. This wouldn't be even a slightly isolated example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 A modern 18 meter single seat sailplane without ANY form of engine will set you back the best part of A$150,000 just for the airframe. Add instruments A$10,000 to A$15,000, trailer A$15,000 to A$20,000, Add another A$50,000 for a sustainer engine that might prevent outlandings but will not launch you.Still think the Blackshape is totally stupid at A$280,000? Yes. HANDS UP all those with a disposable $280,000 in their bank account. Yup, thought so. Hands up even those with $28,000 ... yup. You have become so accustomed to these idiotic rip off prices, it's what you expect, and so it just rolls off the end of your tongue like it's nothing to do with reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 Get a load of the comment below the image in this grab from the Blackshape Prime Facebook page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Get a load of the comment below the image in this grab from the Blackshape Prime Facebook page.[ATTACH=full]53115[/ATTACH] Well, well, well and at the place where magic happens too......................................................................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Get a load of the comment below the Will save lives because very few people will be able to afford to fly them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hihosland Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Is the starboard wing tip in the shadow of the building? or is it just an effect of a long lens? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Is the starboard wing tip in the shadow of the building?or is it just an effect of a long lens? I think it is just a long lens, at first glimpse it looked like some really low flying but after working out wingspan compared to chairs ect it is a bit more reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 It's been photoshopped. The original background was a grassy paddock. For the lexiconographers: Notice how this product name (Photoshop) has joined other software products like Google have dropped the first letter capital and becomes verbs which refer to the use of the same or similar software to carry out the functions available in the original proprietary product. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APenNameAndThatA Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Only does 150 kts. Better off with a C182. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSCBD Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Can anyone provide a ball park figure on the "factory cost" and how much mark up is on it??? What is the typical amount a aussie agent / dealer selling the toy here also make. Forget all the options that can be loaded on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Only does 150 kts. Better off with a C182. Have you priced a new 182 lately? I think you could problem have two of these for the same money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 Video of a Prime taking off from, and landing on, an aircraft carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Video of a Prime taking off from, and landing on, an aircraft carrier. Has all the verisimilitude of 'Hotshots'. And by the sound, used the same music director... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 It's a nice looking plane, but there's a lot of nice looking planes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Nice look is the easy part and the bit that sells. How well it flys is what counts, then cost, durability and repairability. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 It's a nice looking plane, but there's a lot of nice looking planes. I've said it before, there's plenty of Ferraris and Porsches out there, Hyundais and Kias, not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunder Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Hmmm....... the Italians have 2 aircraft carriers and are starting to build a third....nice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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