Interesting read about "our" accidents

[Guest bluespot]

Australia records 230 plane accidents in a year

[nomadpete]

The ATSB report revealed that "hitting the ground" was the most common cause of serious accidents.

 

Wow. Did that require a year to figure out ?

 

 

[bexrbetter]

The ATSB report revealed that "hitting the ground" was the most common cause of serious accidents.Wow. Did that require a year to figure out ?

Only a year? Looks like they didn't get a University to help them then.

 

 

[kgwilson]

Wow, it's about time that CASA started regulating the ground. It needs to be clearly specified that the ground is hard and meeting it at a high angle of attack and considerable speed could cause serious harm. It will be difficult for them to place any sort of ban on the ground, but I am sure that with a full and thorough investigation, ministerial inquiry and possibly a Royal Commission and a few billion dollars later they will come up with something absurd.

 

 

[old man emu]

Notice that there is hardly ever an incident where a two aircraft collide in the air. Nearly all incidents involve an aircraft being flown in isolation from all others.

 

Ergo, CASA must, in the interests of air safety, regulate that all flights must be undertaken by aircraft operating in close formation.

 

 

 

[turboplanner]

Notice that there is hardly ever an incident where a two aircraft collide in the air. Nearly all incidents involve an aircraft being flown in isolation from all others.Ergo, CASA must, in the interests of air safety, regulate that all flights must be undertaken by aircraft operating in close formation.

You're beginning to sound like an academic!

 

 

[BlurE]

Maybe we need new regulation to ensure our aircraft are "groundworthy" and airworthy can be their assumed natural state?

 

 

[fly_tornado]

It's never been safer to fly RAA planes 1.05 deaths per 100,000 hours is an insanely good result last year, GA needs to lift its game as the RAA is clearly found the secret to flight safety

 

 

 

[M61A1]

Wow, it's about time that CASA started regulating the ground. It needs to be clearly specified that the ground is hard and meeting it at a high angle of attack and considerable speed could cause serious harm. It will be difficult for them to place any sort of ban on the ground, but I am sure that with a full and thorough investigation, ministerial inquiry and possibly a Royal Commission and a few billion dollars later they will come up with something absurd.

Maybe we could do some more research into creating a more flexible "ground". Once we have found the best balance between rigidity and flexibility, we could then create a standard to which all "ground" must be made. This may be difficult, so an alternative would be to assess all ground and develop a rating for the survivability of the ground. Using this rating, we could then make legislation determining the acceptable rating for taking off and landing as well as perhaps a softer grade of ground for flying over, with obvious rules for having to be able to glide clear of ground that exceeds the hardness spec.

Alternatively, we could legislate that we all have to fly so low that it's impossible to impact the ground at an angle steep enough to kill you.

 

It's never been safer to fly RAA planes 1.05 deaths per 100,000 hours is an insanely good result last year, GA needs to lift its game as the RAA is clearly found the secret to flight safety [ATTACH=full]53551[/ATTACH]

That, I suspect will be like our police. When they have a horror road toll, the public need to lift their game, when they have a good run (or a pleasant statistical plateau) they will go to the media saying how it's the result of their fine police work.

 

 

[facthunter]

Falling out of a window doesn't kill anybody either for the same reason.. Genius. Fancy actually mentioning that.

 

This post sat for a while' And.....

 

CASA and associated entities, love the ground. It's where the safest planes sit . Pilots are the problem . They want to take the planes off the ground, where they were safe and make mistakes putting them back there occasionally..

 

" Grounded" is the fix . So simple when you think about it..Nev

 

 

[fly_tornado]

the RAA have a safety management system that's obviously working extremely well to turn it around from 5 deaths per 100k to 1 per 100k is a fantastic result, I wouldn't be surprised if CASA doesn't poach some RAA executives to learn the secrets of aviation safety. That's an 80% drop in 4 years, CASA must be panicking

 

 

[turboplanner]

Falling out of a window doesn't kill anybody either for the same reason.. Genius. Fancy actually mentioning that.This post sat for a while' And.....

CASA and associated entities, love the ground. It's where the safest planes sit . Pilots are the problem . They want to take the planes off the ground, where they were safe and make mistakes putting them back there occasionally..

 

" Grounded" is the fix . So simple when you think about it..Nev

You should know better.

The very first area mentioned, the area you used to fly in, says "pure jet-powered aircraft has a fatality-free safety record in Australia."

 

That's the area spending LEAST time the ground, but with the least people failing to keep up their currency, not learning or following safety regulations, not staying within their FVR rules, not forgetting to do their checks, not forgetting to calculate their fuel burn, taking of at the beginning of the run way, not doing low level beat ups, not flying at power line level, not cheating on airworthiness requirements, not flying over loaded or out of balance, not flying a non-airworthy/out of hours aircraft, not flying an aircraft they've never flown before without instruction, and so the list goes on.

 

 

[aro]

It's never been safer to fly RAA planes 1.05 deaths per 100,000 hours is an insanely good result last year

Some funny numbers there... ('000) 243, 226, 211, 207, 379.

 

379 sounds fishy. 179 would fit the trend better and gives 2.23/100000 hours which is still the best in the table but also fits better with the other values.

 

 

[M61A1]

You should know better.The very first area mentioned, the area you used to fly in, says "pure jet-powered aircraft has a fatality-free safety record in Australia."

That's the area spending LEAST time the ground, but with the least people failing to keep up their currency, not learning or following safety regulations, not staying within their FVR rules, not forgetting to do their checks, not forgetting to calculate their fuel burn, taking of at the beginning of the run way, not doing low level beat ups, not flying at power line level, not cheating on airworthiness requirements, not flying over loaded or out of balance, not flying a non-airworthy/out of hours aircraft, not flying an aircraft they've never flown before without instruction, and so the list goes on.

There is a big difference between being paid to operate someone else's very expensive equipment to deliver hundreds of people safely at a destination thousands of miles away and someone that flies their own inexpensive machine just because they enjoy being airborne.

 

Sometimes I'm not sure if you're autistic and genuinely don't know what fun is, or whether you're just a fun hating, sad human being that feels the need to drag the whole of society down to your misery.

 

 

[facthunter]

It WAS a tongue in Cheek Post.... Nev

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Some funny numbers there... ('000) 243, 226, 211, 207, 379.379 sounds fishy. 179 would fit the trend better and gives 2.23/100000 hours which is still the best in the table but also fits better with the other values.

Systems gets more accurate over time, the numbers don't lie!

 

 

[onetrack]

I think there's some erroneous thinking creeping in with all this talk of regulating the ground, and grounding aircraft and pilots. The solution is simple, and I'm surprised the researchers haven't figured this out.

 

The problem is the regular proximity of, and contact with, the ground, with aircraft.

 

Therefore, steps need to be taken to ensure the ground and aircraft are to be kept far apart - at all times - with barriers and safety guards and warning tapes, preferably.

 

The simple task of marking out the ground everywhere with proximity warnings for aircraft, must be undertaken with urgency.

 

This project of warning aircraft that the ground is getting too close, and they must keep their distance, will result in vastly increased flight safety - and of course, it will also lead to the necessary expansion of CASA, who will need thousands more operatives on the payroll, whose important job it is, to mark out all that ground in a suitable fashion.

 

 

[turboplanner]

There is a big difference between being paid to operate someone else's very expensive equipment to deliver hundreds of people safely at a destination thousands of miles away and someone that flies their own inexpensive machine just because they enjoy being airborne.Sometimes I'm not sure if you're autistic and genuinely don't know what fun is, or whether you're just a fun hating, sad human being that feels the need to drag the whole of society down to your misery.

No I'm not autistic, and I have plenty of fun, and I'd like to see you have another go of making some sense of your first sentence.

 

 

[M61A1]

So, are we wanting to see 'flies' corrected to "flys', or do we really think flying for fun is the same as flying human cargo all over the world?

 

As long as the two worlds (rec and professional) are kept apart there's no problem, when we have people trying to push them together, it'll end in tears.

 

 

[old man emu]

You're beginning to sound like an academic!

Non philosophus sed solver quaestio ego sum

 

 

[Gibbo]

Hmm. I know four people who have been killed in UL accidents in the past 8 years.

 

It's never been safer to fly RAA planes 1.05 deaths per 100,000 hours is an insanely good result last year, GA needs to lift its game as the RAA is clearly found the secret to flight safety [ATTACH=full]53551[/ATTACH]

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[old man emu]

Hmm. I know four people who have been killed in UL accidents in the past 8 years.

That is sad, no argument, but over the same period, how many people you know have been involved in motor vehicle collisions of any severity. Then compare the number of motor vehicle collisions of any severity to the number of RAA collisions of any severity and reduce both numbers to a per 100,000 persons.

 

Unfortunately RAA collisions, when they happen, result in more serious injury.

 

 

[johnm]

per post 8 and the stats:

 

- 2013 to 2016 there was a steady decline in hours flown - 35,000 hours over that 4 year period

 

- the average of hours per year between 2013 to 2016 was 222,000 hours per year

 

- Against this trend - all of a sudden in 2017 we have 379,000 - a 70% increase on the 222,000 average above ..........a huge jump in hours flown

 

- why such a big increase in the 2017 hours ?

 

 

[fly_tornado]

there are other stats in that report that are a bit odd but I just thought that one was funny because its obviously wrong but no one in the executive, board or publishing team care about details anymore.

 

 

[Gravity]

Falling out of a window doesn't kill anybody either for the same reason.. Genius. Fancy actually mentioning that.This post sat for a while' And.....

CASA and associated entities, love the ground. It's where the safest planes sit . Pilots are the problem . They want to take the planes off the ground, where they were safe and make mistakes putting them back there occasionally..

 

" Grounded" is the fix . So simple when you think about it..Nev

CASA would Luv to ground all GA A/C & deal with the RPT guys, far safer. Remember CASA's Moto......safe skies are M/T skies