red750 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 https://newatlas.com/aircraft/plane-swap-red-bull/?utm_source=New+Atlas+Subscribers&utm_campaign=57e3687167-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_03_23_01_44&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-57e3687167-93094661 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Reading that article, I'd rather attempt that stunt than what one of the pilots has done previously... in 2016, he jumped out of a plane at 25,000 ft (7,620 m) with neither a parachute nor a wingsuit on, free-falling all the way down before being caught in a 100-by-100-ft (30-by-30-m) Dyneema net. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I saw the video of that. He either had complete 100% confidence of his ability to ensure directional control or he is a complete 100% adrenaline freak nutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APenNameAndThatA Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 25/3/2022 at 7:18 AM, kgwilson said: I saw the video of that. He either had complete 100% confidence of his ability to ensure directional control or he is a complete 100% adrenaline freak nutter. Both 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APenNameAndThatA Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 24/3/2022 at 10:14 PM, Marty_d said: Reading that article, I'd rather attempt that stunt than what one of the pilots has done previously... in 2016, he jumped out of a plane at 25,000 ft (7,620 m) with neither a parachute nor a wingsuit on, free-falling all the way down before being caught in a 100-by-100-ft (30-by-30-m) Dyneema net. Thank you for posting this. Un b leevable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Would have been hard for his wife to watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, rgmwa said: Would have been hard for his wife to watch. Would have been a lot harder to watch if he missed the net! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tuncks Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Well he had a lot if incentive to land on the net huh. There was a WW2 guy who free-fell and landed on pine trees and then a slope with snow. He jumped out as he saw his parachute on fire and he opted to die without being burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightrite Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 There will always be idiots out there to entertain us😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) I have a question. The pair of Cessna 182's that will be used in the stunt have a MASSIVE air brake that extends out between the main gear, like 1.5 metre from the centre line of the aircraft. Seeing video of the aircraft in the vertical dive the elevator is in the neutral position, how can this be. We know how much pitch trim is required just with flaps extended. Is it real? We all saw Trevor Jacob jump (sky dive) from his "stricken" plane and then be able to miraculously record it as it flew way beneath him into the mountain. Maybe a he got very lucky and a thermal lifted him right up🤔 https://www.redbull.com/us-en/the-science-behind-plane-swap Edited April 19, 2022 by Thruster88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightrite Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) The lift vector is no longer acting against gravity, the A/P will manipulate the elevator in order to create zero lift in any direction. Look at the recent China B737 that was captured on video going vertically down, my guess in that case was the plane was being manipulated, pilot suicide! In the stunt the same input is being created. Edited April 19, 2022 by Flightrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 There's an ad doing the rounds on the TV. Can't remember who it's for. Four guys in a single wing suit (or four wing suits joined together.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 59 minutes ago, Flightrite said: The lift vector is no longer acting against gravity, the A/P will manipulate the elevator in order to create zero lift in any direction. Look at the recent China B737 that was captured on video going vertically down, my guess in that case was the plane was being manipulated, pilot suicide! In the stunt the same input is being created. Agree there is no lift. They say the dive brake is creating 90% of the drag in the vertical dive and it is so far off the normal aerodynamic "centre" that the elevator would have to generate a considerable down force to stop the aircraft pitching nose down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Any wing has a "zero lift" Angle of attack position.. If it's a lifting section (non symmetrical) it will be a negative angle. In a vertical dive the C of G in the vertical sense relative to the fuselage fore and aft axis is where gravity acts through. and gravity acts like thrust does normally in these circumstances. If the major drag is off centre of the Cof G the moment so caused will have to be counteracted by force exerted by the Elevator by UP elevator positioning. Nev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 19/04/2022 at 6:55 PM, Thruster88 said: Agree there is no lift. They say the dive brake is creating 90% of the drag in the vertical dive and it is so far off the normal aerodynamic "centre" that the elevator would have to generate a considerable down force to stop the aircraft pitching nose down. One of the cessna 182's did not have sufficient elevator authority to overcome the pitch down from the dive brake and went inverted. One less cessna in the world. Will the pilot get their license pulled like Trevor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 It will be very interesting to see the FAA's response to this idiotically stupid stunt. What a waste of a perfectly good aircraft. Of course, no-one was put in any danger, people do this all the time in the U.S., just for kicks! https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/plane-swap-stunt-trick-goes-horribly-wrong-as-plane-spirals-out-of-control-c-6572293 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 The cessna was saved by a BRS whole aircraft parachute system. I have done one of these installations on a 182, good system if you need it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) Yeah, right. I don't think the system worked as planned - and the FAA is on their case, as the stunt wasn't approved, due to safety grounds. So they went ahead, anyway. Sounds like this pair went to the same idiot academy as Trevor Jacob. https://7news.com.au/sport/red-bull-plane-swap-stunt-goes-horribly-wrong-as-out-of-control-aircraft-spirals-towards-crash-landing-c-6571152 The pairs petition to the FAA for exemption, and the FAA's response are detailed in the link below. As to be expected, the FAA deemed the pair had put up inadequate reasons for the stunt, and the FAA had refused to sanction similar stunts, one of which was jumping out of a flying aircraft, and allowing it to crash-land. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10750039/Mid-air-plane-swap-skydive-sponsored-Red-Bull-fails-one-aircraft-crashed.html Edited April 25, 2022 by onetrack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) I guess the chute failed due to the aircraft being stalled inverted due to the massive dive brake. Edited April 25, 2022 by Thruster88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightrite Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 At least these fools are entertaining😂 Seems like everything stupid is made in America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Flightrite said: At least these fools are entertaining😂 Seems like everything stupid is made in America! Have you not watched Russian crazy driver videos? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightrite Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Oh I luv the Ruskies driving vids, the best there is, makes the Aussie dash cam stuff look like a bunch of girls!😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APenNameAndThatA Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 The setup of the air brakes was really stupid and meant that no one who knew what they were doing was involved, imho. The air brake was close to the centre of mass, which would have made it very unstable. Also, the brake would have shielded the elevator and subjected it to unpredictable, turbulent air. There is no way of predicting the angle of incidence of wind onto the rudder and elevator. Lastly, the ballistic chute opened too late. If the (now former) pilot had gotten into the aircraft and not managed to regain control, and didn’t manage to pull the chute, he would have been killed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightrite Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I see the FAA have jumped these two idiots! Pulled their tickets, a blatant act of stupidity for commercial gain, the FAA had no choice👍 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) Yeah, and this mob is next on the hit list ... oh, wait. Edited May 14, 2022 by Garfly 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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