red750 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 A gyrocopter with two persons on board flew low over the water to warn a surfer there was a shark close by. The gyro was clipped by a wave forcing it to crash into about one metre of water. Both occupants and the surfer escaped uninjured. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Magic carpet syndrome. Easy not to have this happen to you; just don't fly below the minimum height of 500 feet AGL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Insurance? Insurance premiums are only going up with stupid shit like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APenNameAndThatA Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 6 hours ago, turboplanner said: Magic carpet syndrome. Easy not to have this happen to you; just don't fly below the minimum height of 500 feet AGL. Flying below 500 ft is legal if you are landing. They landed, so... They were worried about a shark following a surfer. The pilot should have left the screaming and pointing to the passenger. 🤦♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Maybe they tried to scare the shark away by getting low. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Mercy flight? (Are they a thing any more?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Garfly said: Mercy flight? (Are they a thing any more?) Mercy Flight has sone strict provisions; you have to declare it for one; that would take out a lot of people from the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, turboplanner said: Mercy Flight has sone strict provisions; you have to declare it for one; that would take out a lot of people from the equation. Hmmm ... visions of would-be rescuees bleeding-out as our scrupulously law abiding aviator attempts to get through on the blower to announce his 'declaration'. But I seem to remember reading that even the old Mercy Flight declaration no longer pertains; that it's now covered under the broader category of a May Day call. Not sure. Something to clarify. In either case, lives could well be hanging in the balance due dodgy radio comms. And given the Air Law joys of strict liability the judge may have to discount any kind of common sense defence. Heck, you might even get done, at the same time, for failing to render assistance. Catch 91. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Garfly said: Hmmm ... visions of would-be rescuees bleeding-out as our scrupulously law abiding aviator attempts to get through on the blower to announce his 'declaration'. But I seem to remember reading that even the old Mercy Flight declaration no longer pertains; that it's now covered under the broader category of a May Day call. Not sure. Something to clarify. In either case, lives could well be hanging in the balance due dodgy radio comms. And given the Air Law joys of strict liability the judge may have to discount any kind of common sense defence. Heck, you might even get done, at the same time, for failing to render assistance. Catch 91. No, it's very straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, turboplanner said: No, it's very straightforward. Sure it is. Which is why Pprune had a long, impassioned thread on the subject a while back, running the gamut from the 'very straightforward' brigade to posters of the 'very complicated' persuasion. Never the 'twain shall meet. ;- ) https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions/501671-mercy-flights.html Edited October 7, 2022 by Garfly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, Garfly said: Sure it is. Which is why Pprune had a long, impassioned thread on the subject a while back, running the gamut from the 'very straightforward' brigade to posters of the 'very complicated' persuasion. Never the 'twain shall meet. ;- ) https://www.pprune.org/pacific-general-aviation-questions/501671-mercy-flights.html That explains a few things. However this accident was all about where to place an aircraft in the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, turboplanner said: That explains a few things. However this accident was all about where to place an aircraft in the sky. But also potentially, possibly, about bending a rule to save a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) I thought The rule Should be broken ! . NOT the aircraft Or pilot . For an atempt to save a Human being . Because the law is an ASS , with no Humanity. ( just shows Why Ican,t get past Burauecrasy ). spacesailor Edited October 7, 2022 by spacesailor Grammer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Garfly said: But also potentially, possibly, about bending a rule to save a life. A Pilot In Command has to be smart enough so set priorities to keep his passenger, himself and his aircraft safe first, and circling at 500' with an arm pointing and waving can bee seen clearly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 You don't need to get down to wave height to warn swimmers, that's just plain stupidity, and shows a lack of situational awareness. The shark spotting choppers never go below about 200 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, turboplanner said: A Pilot In Command has to be smart enough so set priorities to keep his passenger, himself and his aircraft safe first, and circling at 500' with an arm pointing and waving can bee seen clearly. A very straightforward scenario and a very smart PIC. Warning not waving. Too late. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Perhaps a little beach landing . That went wrong . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 And not one of you has given a thought to the emotional trauma the shark might have suffered as a result of a giant seagull-looking thing swooping down on it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I'm sure they've got lawyers for sharks. I know we land-dwellers often have sharks for lawyers. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 There has been a C17 flying low about a K from my place three times in this last week, I estimate below 500f. With no transponder on I can't see real height or speed, can't see on Flightradar 24. Bernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Pilot Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Forced landing practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfGnome Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Thread drift warning! I live under the VFR lane north of Sydney, so I get to see a lot of light plane traffic. Occasionally I’ll see one travelling north in the south lane or vice versa, but the other day I saw one at couldn’t have been more than 500ft agl. Apart from being too low over a built up area, we also get a lot of choppers coming east/west at 500ft so it was heading for a mid air… 😳 Is it that hard to watch your altimeter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 2 hours ago, sfGnome said: Thread drift warning! I live under the VFR lane north of Sydney, so I get to see a lot of light plane traffic. Occasionally I’ll see one travelling north in the south lane or vice versa, but the other day I saw one at couldn’t have been more than 500ft agl. Apart from being too low over a built up area, we also get a lot of choppers coming east/west at 500ft so it was heading for a mid air… 😳 Is it that hard to watch your altimeter? I never thought I'd have to say this but apparently it not only is, but it is for perhaps 10% of RA. The training seems to be optional and the flying experience seems to be focused on the manipulation of the controls. Airservices are partly to blame because they just seem to accept it and actually, without knowing the skills of the pilot, assist him to get further in. A BIG contract to a Bonanza pilot I spoke to one day somewhere near Forbes. He'd been on a local flight around Bankstown "and it was such a nice day we decided to keep going and have a look at Bathurst". I was on a flight planned refuel; he'd just landed for fun (or based on what happened next, to see where he was). He decided he might get some too. I was in awe of the Bonanza's cruise speed and the ease with which he was flitting around the State. He said he might go and have afternoon tea at Griffith and then fly home. The Bonanza just shrunk the travel times I was used to. And we went our separate ways. About 15 minutes later there was a call from Sydney Centre to his callsign, XXX Confirm your position (and in those days you needed to know it, now). The reply was a cheerful explanation much the same as he'd given me ending with something vague like "west of Forbes". There was a short silence then "Land immediately" phone Airservices Sydney." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 20 hours ago, turboplanner said: A Pilot In Command has to be smart enough so set priorities to keep his passenger, himself and his aircraft safe first, and circling at 500' with an arm pointing and waving can bee seen clearly. Always know your priorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfly Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 32 minutes ago, turboplanner said: About 15 minutes later there was a call from Sydney Centre to his callsign, XXX Confirm your position (and in those days you needed to know it, now). The reply was a cheerful explanation much the same as he'd given me ending with something vague like "west of Forbes". There was a short silence then "Land immediately" phone Airservices Sydney." What had he done wrong, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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